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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (21233)	6/18/2004 12:04:23 PM
From: philv	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81071

If the religious right have so much political power, why is it that they have lost and continue to lose influence where it counts the most....in the courts. Everyone decries the downward spiral of immorality in our society....can you blame this on the religious right or maybe the immoral left? Laws throughout the world have changed and evolved from what used to be a distinctly "Christian" emphasis to where we are today. When I was a child, almost all stores were closed on Sunday, by law. Homosexuality was illegal, and today it is afforded special protection under liberal laws. All I am pointing out is that to whine about the religious right is to close your eyes to reality. The left dominates through liberal laws and the movie industry. That is where the real influence lies, and these liberal attitudes are exported throughout the world.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (21233)	6/18/2004 2:20:12 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81071

Gustave > American Judeofascism --a primer: As far as I can see, that piece is all about Christian fundamentalism. And, as we have discussed, Christian fundamentalism/zionism, which Robertson espouses, is something quite different from Jewish Zionism although, superficially, there may appear to be similarities and therefore common cause. patrobertson.com >>Christian Zionists Heralded in Israel The strategic alliance with "groups that are friends and special allies" - including 70 million U.S. evangelicals and 600 worldwide, according to estimates by the movement's leaders - could not deepen soon enough, according to Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. "This is a war, a war of images that reverberate throughout the world," Eckstein said last week in this seaside town. "The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at the cusp of becoming, God forbid, a worldwide conflict between Jews and Muslims." High-profile events in recent months underscore the blossoming ties. In October, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon addressed 3,000 visiting evangelical Christians from 80 countries, including about 450 Americans. "We love you!" Sharon told the gathering. In a march through the streets of Jerusalem, they returned the affection, waving signs such as "Oklahoma Loves Israel" and shouting "Hallelujah to the God of Israel!"<< In my opinion, this association is identical to that which appears to exist between Hasidim and right-wingers in Belgium. An association based on common hate or fear, rather than love. A marriage of expedience and convenience, in other words. And it could easily end in divorce when the Christian evangelicals are forced to confront how much of the porn emanating from Hollywood has to do with their new "marriage partners", or their liberal relations. I'm also aware that Benjamin Netanhayu also tried to "tap into the same poisoned well" when he proposed "marriage" between the US and Israel for the allegedly common political reason -- terrorism. Clearly, 9-11 was the consummation of this "marriage" ccmep.org >>Thursday, January 17, 2002 - The next target in America's war against terrorism is likely to be Iran or Iraq, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday in Denver. "Both are feverishly working at developing nuclear weapons. That is a direct threat to millions of people," Netanyahu said at the state Capitol "We are very lucky that the United States is the leader of the world today," said Netanyahu, 52. "We will defeat and roll back the tide of Islamic terrorism." <<