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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (80730)	6/21/2004 2:12:14 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

”1 - You aren't talking about equal treatment under the law if you are demanding equal treatment in matters other then law or government. 2 - You don't have a natural right for people to treat you the same way they treat other people.” There are 3 possibilities here: 1). You don’t understand what we are talking about, 2). You wish to create impediments to understanding through intentionally creating straw men to distract from the issues, 3). There has been a genuine failure of communication. It should be fairly obvious that I do not suggest that people should all be treated the same. I do not kiss your girlfriend on the lips, do I? I am trying to get across to you the basic idea that your “free association” does not prevent society from limiting the manner and degree to which you are permitted to MISTREAT others before funning afoul of social law and moral opprobrium. This is not a requirement for equal treatment of others. It is a condition of civilized society that one does not MISTREAT others beyond a certain level of public tolerance. ”but there is no general natural right for people to treat you the same as they treat others.” Again, I have explained this. I think you know what is meant. At least…you do now. By equal treatment I mean equal protection under the law against mistreatment on the basis of race, religion, etc. .”But not everything that is rude or inappropriate or otherwise wrong should be illegal.” Indeed NOT. Society has no interest in preventing legitimate prejudice, discrimination, or difference of opinion. ”Not forbidding something or not punishing someone for doing it is not the same thing as legally sanctioning it.” If there are no legal sanctions against the behavior then it is legally tolerable. ” It does not mean that the government forces others to treat people equally.” Again, I am not talking about treating people equally. I am talking about all people being equal under the law and equally protected against mistreatment under the law. ”Would you say the US in the 1950s or earlier was not a civilization or part of a civilization? IMO such a claim would be nonsensical.” What I said was: ” I don't think that UNEQUAL treatment under the law represents a civilized value”. THAT does not mean that civilized countries may not have uncivilized people or people with uncivilized values. Nor even that a large percentage of the population my hold one or more uncivilized values. Serial killers, rapists, and racists hold values which are opposed by all civilized people.