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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (51132)	6/19/2004 10:28:35 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

While basically agreeing with you, MQ, the sort of circumstances that drove countries to the ground in the last 50 to 100 years are not the same set of circumstances that will drive them today or in the next 30 years. Argentina chose to be poor opting for populism and close economy. They're still clinging to it today after Peronism have lost all its meaning. You're speaking about a different kind of animal.The case of the countries that got rich and them decided that they had to redistribute hard won wealth to buy votes, which is the case of NZ, Canada, Australia and most western Europe. Women vote and policies (single mothers and the rest of it) to redistribute wealth to them is popular among politicians to keep this female ecletoral corral. This wll stop only when there won't be more wealth to be redistributed. But it will help so slowly that future egenerations even won't realize what they have lost.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (51132)	6/19/2004 10:37:29 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

An illustrative case: I went with a few friends to a national park in Eastern Thailand. While riding in the pick up truck at the end of the day there was a Dutch lady about her 30's. She was complaining -to another Australian young lady-about the foreign tourists, sex tourism the behave of Thai women. Elmat there quietly listening. Then the Aussie lady started asking about the prospects of working in Holland. The lady told she worked for a NGO in environment issues. She told how good it was a while ago when before the government changed to a more center-right coalition and they cut the budget supporting the activities she worked in. She told that the going was going tough those days. Elmat synthesize everything: A left-leaning government, bought the votes of young ladies by handing them over pseudo-jobs. A center-right coalition didn't buy their votes and would cut funds to their pseudo-jobs. The Thai young ladies don't have such options.