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To: glenn_a who wrote (15574)	6/20/2004 5:28:02 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

OT - Hi Glen, thank you for the response - my father was in similar situation as was one of my mother cousins - they were in forced labor camps which were "liberated" by the Red Army and continued to be in forced labor camps under the Russian until there was some unrest and protest and they were released, well after the war ended in those parts of the world. One more comment about the "gratitude" of the Red Army and Stalin was the uprising of the Poles in Warsaw - the Red Army just stood by at a time about 5 to 10 miles from them the German forces were decimating and destroying the city - more so those who escaped and hoped to find shelter across the Russian lines were murdered by the Russian Secret Police or deported to forced work camps in Siberia - for "reorientation" During the Warsaw uprising Stalin did not even let US or British bombers use Russian airspace to help the Poles or drop food and ammunitions to enable them to fight at a time Stalin was receiving handouts from the US. I think Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt was the unscrupulous man that went along with Stalin and for his inaction and fear of Stalin we had the Cold War – as Roosevelt action were interpreted as a weakness of the US in general and the sensitivity to take casualties in particular - by the then ruling gang under Stalin in Russia. In some way it is strange that history has not done justice in this respect. Would Roosevelt act in the long range US interests we would not have had the Korean War and possible not even Vietnam War – not to mention a Democratic Poland and neighboring countries with no “Iron Curtain” and “Cold War” warsawuprising.com Warsaw could have been the first European capital liberated; however, various military and political miscalculations, as well as global politics — played among Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) — turned the dice against it. This site is dedicated to all those who fought for their freedom in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 as well as all those who, as civilians, perished in the effort. en.wikipedia.org The Soviet Union was not recognising the Government-in-Exile and it was clear that Poland would be liberated by the Red Army). The uprising failed due to limited Soviet assistance. Soviet assistance to the Home Army was limited to collaboration only on a tactical level and then shooting or sending the Home Army soldiers to Siberia. There were many different opinions as to what should have been the Polish response but it became clear that the nationwide uprising would be too costly and would end the same way as the Lwow Uprising and the Wilno Uprising ended. However, on July 29, 1944 Soviet Radio Moscow called on the Poles in Warsaw to revolt. The underground civil and military authorities decided that it would be better to start the Uprising in Warsaw on a fixed date than to let separate groups start it on their own. There was also huge pressure to prove the Soviet propaganda stating that the Poles do not fight wrong. Moreover, for the last several days before the start of the Uprising, large German units were retreating westwards through Warsaw. This gave an impression that the city will be abandoned soon. .................................... After the Soviets finally reached the right bank of Vistula on September 10, the officers proposed recreating the pre-war 36th 'Academic Legion' infantry regiment, however they were all arrested by the NKVD and sent to Russia for interrogation.

To: glenn_a who wrote (15574)	6/21/2004 12:57:48 PM
From: No Mo Mo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 110194

"And too often, when powerful interests fight for virtues such as "freedom", "democracy", and "our way of life", what they really are fighting for is "power", "profits", "cheap access to labor or raw materials", or "enforced access to foreign markets". And particularly when I here a conflict portrayed as a battle between good and evil, or good guys and bad guys, I suspect propaganda, disinformation, and an absence of proper historical context..." Please tell me why (rhetorical question for the most part but, take a stab if you wish) those not served by this propaganda support the message....again and again??? Here's a very good article about how the class of Capital gets those w/o material wealth to support agendas that would seemingly be in direct conflict with their own: tjm.org LIE DOWN FOR AMERICA How the Republican Party sows ruin on the Great Plains Thomas Frank, Harper's Magazine, April 2004, Vol. 308, Issue 1847 "The poorest county in America isn't in Appalachia or the Deep South. It is on the Great Plains, a region of struggling ranchers and dying farm towns, and in the election of 2000 the Republican candidate for president, George W. Bush, carried it by a majority of greater than 75 percent.(1) This puzzled me when I first read about it, as it puzzles many of the people I know. For us it is the Democrats that are the party of workers, of the poor, of the weak and the victimized. Figuring this out, we think, is basic; it is part of the ABCs of adulthood. When I told a friend of mine about that impoverished High Plains county so enamored of President Bush, she was perplexed. "How can anyone who has ever worked for someone else vote Republican?" she asked. How could so many people get it so wrong?" I've been discussing this w/ my friends for weeks and we just don't see it. You?