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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (191117)	6/21/2004 12:31:49 AM
From: Mani1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577859

Re << But let's not kid ourselves when it comes to figuring these terrorists out>> What are you afraid of? They sure have us figured out and playing it like a drum. Intelligence and thinking is an asset and not a liability as you argue. I have made the case as to why it is important to understand our foreign policy and others' perception of it on numerous occasions and won't repeat myself. It should be clear to anyone who is paying attention that the current path is not working and people are dying. That is a problem. I honestly think you are misguided because your life experience has not given you a good grasp of what the problem is. And I am sure you have similar thoughts about me, oh well. Mani

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (191117)	6/21/2004 1:25:41 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1577859

They don't just want "engagement in the most primitive ways" for the sake of it. They want victory, and they're engaging us in the most primitive of ways not to make us respond in kind, but because they know we don't have the guts to. Did you see the captured S. Korean on the tube tonite? Did you hear his screaming? What do you know about guts? Who are you trying to sound like.....like macho man Arnold.......or the idiot prince on a carrier deck? Neither man is worth $h*t. The people fighting this fukking war in Iraq are the people who have guts; Kerry had guts; McCain had guts. Bush, Cheney, Rummie are all yellow bellied hawks who wouldn't be caught dead fighting for their country. However, they don't have any qualms about sending 140k people to their possible deaths! Fighting al Qa'ida doesn't take guts; fighting a stupid ass war in Iraq does. Get it straight! ted

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (191117)	6/21/2004 1:38:41 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577859

Tenchusatsu, RE: "because they know we don't have the guts to." That's a really interesting notion. It takes more guts to face complicated issues head-on and face them. Out of curiosity, where do you get your notion from? We shouldn't be complacent, but we also shouldn't be so trigger happy that we use ineffective action over effective intelligence. RE: "But let's not kid ourselves when it comes to figuring these terrorists out." bin Laden has made it clear what his goals are. There are two parts to it. The first part involves a lengthly perspective on anti-globalization & anti-corporations that he spouts. This is the part that appeals to many Muslims who are tired of arrogant Americans imposing our American culture (McDonalds, Hollywood) onto their culture. The second part he spouts is a highly violent and sensational message to kill 4 million Americans - this is the part we hear on the news. If his message only contained the second part, he would get no air time by moderate Muslims. But because his message contains the first part, he has many sympathizers. His ability to foster new recruits is unlimited, when we act without thinking. The best way to combat terrorism, is to remove the tools and remove the capability to foster new recruits. One concerning item is how the first part of his message (anti-globalization) exactly coincides with the ELF environmental organization's goals (anti-globalization and anti-corporations). One of the bigger risks the USA has, would be if bin Laden's group infiltrates ELF and instigates them. We better understand terrorists and terrorism so we can prevent them from sprouting and destroying this country. Regards, Amy J