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To: zonder who wrote (11721)	6/21/2004 2:51:20 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

The Israeli intelligence establishment is admitting that the Camp David propaganda was a complete fabrication. Not surprisingly, the U.S. media has blacked out the story. Irreversible Mental Damage Israel's Intelligence Scandal By Uri Avnery counterpunch.com <<< ... the secret assessment of the highest professional echelons of the Army Intelligence Department and Shabak were practically identical with the assessments published at the time by Gush Shalom, which were met with total disbelief by the media and the public, including a large part of the “peace camp”. To wit, that the Palestinian leadership, headed by Arafat, has never wavered from its readiness to make peace with Israel based on the creation of a Palestinian state on 97% of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (which together make 22% of historic Palestine), with territorial compensation for the remaining 3% and sovereignty over East Jerusalem and the Haram-al-Sharif (“Temple Mount”). The refugee problem would be solved by agreement with Israel (meaning: Israel will have a veto on any solution) ... >>>

To: zonder who wrote (11721)	6/21/2004 7:38:40 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

We are not talking about "total fertility". Sure, if you criminalize abortion, there will be more children around. When you talk about more children being around in the absence of abortion, you are talking about an effect on the total fertility rate. has nothing to do with comparative fertility of women with a propensity to vote democrat to those that lean towards voting republican. I've already posted several studies showing the incidence of abortion is not uniform across the entire population but occurs more frequently among some groups than others. As it happens some of the groups with high abortion rates are also groups which tend to vote primarily Democratic. Thus over a period of decades, abortion logically will have an impact on the number of likely Democratic voters.