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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (65587)	6/22/2004 12:06:24 AM
From: Gottfried	Respond to of 77400

Lizzie, thanks for your comments. Gottfried

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (65587)	6/22/2004 11:09:40 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

You know what's interesting, Lizzie? I still work for a consulting company and the types of projects we're now working on are process improvement projects. So we used to do a lot of process automation work and now we're doing alot more front loaded analysis work to see how we can improve processes. Makes sense to me, because companies are now trying to squeeze more efficiencies out of their processes. Anyway, so the demand for IT work is about the same, but alot of the work has been offshored. However, the demand for process improvement experts has gone sky high. So my theory is that if you are an IT person, you will claim the sky is falling. But if you look across the entire spectrum, you'll realize that jobs in the U.S. have shifted to other parts of the economy and other parts of the business within individual companies.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (65587)	6/22/2004 12:02:41 PM
From: Kirk ©	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

". Maybe I'm more pessimistic because I know what a recovery is supposed to look like, I have been through a few" What is your core competency? Is is software? What about Biotech industry? A friend of mine got two very nice offers there. They had quite a bit of consolidation but now it seems some are hiring again. As for offshoring at HP, MSFT, etc.... that is good news for stockholders if it means they lower their costs. I don't want to sound too arrogant or offend too many who might write software for a living, but I never understood why they were paid so much. I taught myself to program computers in high school back in 1974/75 (independent study course they set up for me). I've taught myself HTML and it seems all you need is a couple of java classes at a community college and you are a java programmer. Many I knew who were making decent salaries writing software in the late 1990’s had majors in fields nothing to do with engineering, computer science, or even software. The real skill seems to be managing software projects which may take a different core skill set (people skills) that a typical "software geek" in the US might not have.