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To: FaultLine who wrote (137673)6/23/2004 4:32:38 PM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 281500
 
Wonderfully lucid observation.



To: FaultLine who wrote (137673)6/23/2004 5:04:52 PM
From: Rascal  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Another Bush Flip-Flop.

NOW:
nytimes.com
The administration appears to have eased its opposition to engaging in detailed negotiations with North Korea, which President Bush once labeled as member of the "axis of evil." Last summer, when negotiations first got under way, Mr. Bush said that providing any benefits to North Korea before it completely abandoned its nuclear program would be like submitting to blackmail.

THEN:
Message 18377201

Bush shows a cold shoulder in place of Clinton's hands across the Pacific
Special report: George Bush's America

Martin Kettle in Washington
Friday March 9, 2001
The Guardian

President George Bush has made it clear that he is not interested in continuing the Clinton administration's policy of cautious detente with North Korea.

The change comes as China says it is increasing its defence spending because it believes that the Washington is hardening its stance in favour of Taiwan.

Mr Bush made his position known during talks at the White House on Wednesday with the president of South Korea, Kim Dae-jung, who favours detente and hoped to win Mr Bush's backing for his "sunshine policy" towards the communist regime in the north.

But Mr Bush told Mr Kim that he had no plans to resume discussing missiles with North Korea in the foreseeable future.

This marks a sharp change from Mr Clinton's two-year effort to head off a threatened military build-up in the north and work towards the restoration of normal relations between Washington and Pyongyang.

Mr Bush's stance has stirred speculation in Washington that he wants to freeze out North Korea to justify his government's planned national missile defence shield.

The justification offered for NMD in 1999 was that the US faced a threat from North Korea's missile programme.

As well as delivering a serious blow to Mr Kim's efforts to negotiate a broad peace between the two Koreas, Mr Bush appeared to put him at odds with his own secretary of state, Colin Powell, who said on Tuesday that he hoped "to pick up where President Clinton and his administration left off".

But Mr Powell emerged from the Bush-Kim meeting calling Pyongyang "a threat" whose intentions nobody should be naive about.

The president's uncompromising position towards North Korea is a sign that the hardliners around him - including on this issue the national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice - have gained the upper hand in policy-making towards the region.

In a speech last year Ms Rice called North Korea "the road kill of history".

She was behind the Bush administration's recent decision to reintroduce the term "rogue states", which the Clinton administration dropped in its final year.

Before Mr Kim arrived in Washington his advisers argued that North Korea might retreat to its earlier isolationist positions if it concluded that the Bush administration was dropping the policy of engagement.

Mr Clinton had hoped to make a landmark visit to Pyongyang at the end of his presidency to meet the northern leader, Kim Jong-il.

Last week he said he would almost certainly have made this visit had it not been for the 36-day dispute over the outcome of the presidential election.

After meeting Kim Dae-jong this week, Mr Bush said he was "concerned about the fact that the North Koreans are shipping arms around the world".

"We want to make sure that their ability to develop and spread weapons of mass destruction was in fact stopped and that we could verify that in fact they had stopped it," he said.

"We're not certain as to whether or not they're keeping all terms of all agreements."

There is one agreement between the US and North Korea, the 1994 accord which ended Pyongyang's processing of plutonium at a suspected nuclear weapons plant.

US officials told the New York Times yesterday that there was no evidence that North Korea was violating the terms of this agreement.

Washington's harder stance against North Korea became apparent just after China announced this week that it would increase its defence spending by 17.7% to cope with what it described as "drastic changes" in the global military balance.

In a speech on Tuesday, the finance minister, Xiang Huaicheng, unveiled plans for China's biggest increase in military spending in real terms for 20 years.

He said this was "to meet the drastic changes in the military situation around the world and prepare for defence and combat given the conditions of modern technology, especially high technology."

China's military spending has been growing for several years; last year's announced increase was more than 12%.

Officially, the lastest rise will would make the country's total defence budget $17.2bn (£11.5bn) next year, compared with Mr Bush's requested Pentagon budget for 2002 of $310bn. But experts believe that China keeps most of its military spending secret, and that the real figure is more like $70bn-$80bn.

<bB>Whatever the realities of the spending, this week's Beijing announcement serves to pass the message that China believes it must prepare for a coming conflict with the US over Taiwan, whose independent status many in the administration wish to protect with a sea and space based missile shield.

(Finally, I feel that many of the differences on this thread stem from the idea/concept that:
X did this so Y feels this.
But with the wonder of the internet we can all investigate things ourself. In my experience, many times one may find that Y did something that made X react. It all depends on how thorough one wants to be. If one feels comfortable with the Headlines of the mass media which are designed less for our information and more for ratings, then so be it. I like to look back a little further then yesterday for motives and understanding.)

Just a little googling reveals many reliable news reports and timelines.

Rascal@ guessit'saboutstarwarsandtiawan.com

PS
Has anyone begun to ameliorate their opinion on North Korean events based on some of the information I have posted?
Just like to know if I am wasting my time.

Rascal @Memories.com



To: FaultLine who wrote (137673)6/24/2004 1:41:42 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 281500
 
From Foreign Affairs.org: Betts: Don't Expect Perfection from Intelligence Agencies

cfr.org

Richard K. Betts, director of War and Peace Studies at Columbia University and a widely published author on intelligence matters, says the failure to prevent 9/11 and misjudgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were "not among the worst or most unusual" intelligence mishaps. "The problem with most intelligence failures is that they are obvious after the fact. But before the fact, there are lots of reasons that a mistake in judgment gets made," says Betts, an adjunct fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Betts views proposals to create a new director of national intelligence skeptically. "A new director of national intelligence could have a revolutionary impact if he or she were given authority to direct the missions, the priorities, and the activities of all of the 15 intelligence agencies throughout all the departments of the government," he says. "But I will believe that when I see it."

He was interviewed by Bernard Gwertzman, consulting editor for cfr.org, on June 21, 2004.

Other Interviews

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How do recent intelligence failures--the 9/11 attacks and erroneous assertions about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD)--compare with intelligence missteps of past years?

As bad as they are, they're not among the worst or most unusual. The problem with most intelligence failures is that they are obvious after the fact. But before the fact, there are lots of reasons that a mistake in judgment gets made. The September 11 case is one where if we had connected all the dots in a way that now seems logical, it could have been prevented.

There was enough information available in different places that, if it had been shared in a more efficient way and if people had been smarter in making deductions from it, conceivably this could have led to some sort of action that would have interfered with the plot. But those are two very big "ifs," and it's entirely possible that even with more efficient sharing of information, the critical leap to an investigation of flight schools might not necessarily have been made. But at least there was a chance. This now looks in hindsight like something for which there's no excuse for missing, but I think it was a lot harder, obviously, to see that before the fact.

On the weapons of mass destruction, it appears that the biggest scandal was not that intelligence was misrepresented or misunderstood, but that there was so little positive intelligence. Circumstantial evidence that the Iraqis had weapons of mass destruction was overwhelming, but what it looks like now is that there wasn't much beyond the circumstantial evidence. And the circumstantial evidence was how they had obstructed inspections during the 1990s, played cat and mouse with UNSCOM [United Nations Special Commission], and blocked the inspectors so much that they had to withdraw. That didn't make much apparent sense unless they were trying to hide the weapons we knew they once had. There's no dispute that the Iraqis did, before the 1991 war, have chemical and biological weapons of some sorts and of some quantity. What it now appears happened is that Saddam Hussein may have been telling the truth when he said they were destroyed after the war.

Could you give some examples of worse episodes of intelligence failure?

The sad but common fact is that surprise attacks often succeed despite warnings of enemy preparations. They succeed because the warnings are ambiguous, or misinterpreted, or get lost in the noise and confusion of diplomatic maneuvering, or are simply disbelieved.

Recurrent mistakes include dismissing warnings because an attack seemed to be an irrational choice for the enemy; the "cry wolf" problem, when several false alarms make policymakers take subsequent warnings less seriously; guessing correctly that an attack will occur, but guessing wrongly about exactly where, when, or how; having warnings held up too long in the communication chain between operators in the field, processors in the intelligence organization, and policymakers; judging that an attack is likely, but waiting too long for more information before deciding what to do; or being misled by enemy deception operations.

For reasons like these, major countries have fallen victim to surprise numerous times in past decades, for example: the French, British, and Russians before the German blitzkriegs of the 1940s; the Arabs in 1956 and 1967; the Israelis in 1973; and the United States before Pearl Harbor, the invasion of South Korea, the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, and the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990. If anything, U.S. and allied intelligence has probably done better overall in breaking up terrorist plots in the past 10 years than governments have done in avoiding conventional surprise attacks in the past century.

It looks, to some people at least, that Bush administration officials pushed to have intelligence that would support the case for war.

I'm sure they wanted the intelligence community to come up with as good a case as it could. But I think most people in the intelligence community really believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because of that circumstantial evidence. There's a powerful tendency for intelligence estimators to assume that an enemy is going to behave rationally--at least, what seems rational in our terms. And the Iraqi behavior didn't seem rational in our terms. We would have thought if they really didn't have any, they would have let the inspectors go anywhere they wanted forever in the 1990s, rather than stonewalling and appearing to hide things.

Former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay has theorized that Saddam Hussein wanted people to believe he had these weapons in order to keep his country together.

Now we can figure out the rationales the Iraqis or Saddam Hussein personally may have had for pretending, implicitly, to have the weapons even while they were officially denying it. Once you see what appear to be the facts, then you can find some rationale that makes sense: that he was trying to play it both ways to get the deterrent benefit of having us think he had the weapons while getting the diplomatic benefit of denying it. Before we had the current evidence, or the lack of evidence, of weapons being in Iraq, that would not have seemed very logical, so that's why I think intelligence estimators honestly agreed with the administration that it was almost certain [Iraq had WMD].

What is surprising is that there seems to have been so little even fragmentary information to support that deduction. I assumed before the fact that we didn't know everything about where these weapons were, but we had enough clues to find some parts of their program pretty quickly or tell the U.N. inspectors, when they were finally let in right before the war, where to look. And the fact that that wasn't true, I think, is one of the bigger surprises of the intelligence failure.

You warned in 2003 that Iraq might use WMD.

Yes, I believed, like everyone else. I believed before the war that they had them, again, on the basis of that circumstantial evidence, although I also, perhaps naively, assumed that there was more positive evidence on the inside than I had access to.

Is U.S. intelligence-gathering as flawed as some of its critics say?

It may sound like a cop-out, but I think the question is, "Is the glass half full or half empty?" [Intelligence-gathering] is in terrible shape if your standard for what is good intelligence is never missing an important event or never failing to predict an enemy attack before it occurs. It's in good shape if you think the odds are stacked against intelligence to begin with and if [intelligence officials] do it right three out of four times or even two out of three times, that's doing pretty well. What should our standard be? Realistically, it should be more the latter; that is, when you're dealing with enemies who are trying to outwit you and who know a lot about what you do to get information on them and who try to adjust their behavior to try to prevent you from doing that, then finding out about a majority of plots, even if you don't find out about a significant number of others, is doing pretty well.

The intelligence community gets very little credit on the outside for all of its successes. If you go back through the press and you look on the bottom of inside pages of The New York Times or The Washington Post every few months, you will see a plot being reported broken up as a result of getting information on the plotters before they could actually execute it. But that doesn't register with most people. It's sort of taken for granted: "Great, that's what they're supposed to do."

But I liken it to the problem of improving a batting average. If somebody is trying to get the ball past you, even if you are a tremendous hitter, they are going to strike you out occasionally. That's not something that people like to hear. It sounds defeatist; it sounds like it's not asking enough of our public servants. I think it's realistic. Things could always be done better. Any batter who strikes out realizes he might have adjusted his stance, he might have swung at one pitch rather than taken it, he might have done this or that [in order to] avoid the problem. I think to believe an adequate and properly functioning system will never have a serious error is just not giving enough credit to the enemies who are working pretty hard to outwit you.

You have written about the importance of human intelligence. In Iraq, it doesn't seem as if the U.S. forces have much solid information on where the violence is coming from or how to prevent it. Is that because they are foreign occupiers?

For one thing, we can hope that some of the intelligence is better than we know on the outside. But, assuming that it's not and we don't have very good sources on various parts of the resistance, I think it's due to a number of problems. First, we are an occupying power, which limits the number of people in the country who are going to jump at the chance to inform on thugs who are plotting against us.

Second, even the ones who want to help us, if they have information, have reason to fear for their lives, and it's pretty obvious that they can't count on us to protect them. If we had a better a security situation in Iraq and the threats to people who collaborate with us were under control, we probably would get a lot more cooperation and a lot more sources pouring in.

Also, we don't know who to trust when we do get human intelligence. The constant, age-old problem with human intelligence, which really is something that all the James Bond mythology and spy movies we grew up on do not convey, is that human intelligence sources, when they do exist, are widely distrusted because they very often prove to be either flaky or dishonest or working both sides of the street. It's hard to tell if a source is real and giving you the truth, rather than trying to play you for a sucker. In Iraq, we probably don't have many sources to begin with; our confidence in the ones we do have is limited.

And finally, things are fast moving. If you don't have many people who are your own trusted agents, who speak the local language, and who have contacts built up over the years, what you are going to get comes in bits and pieces and may come in too late to give you the kind of intelligence you need to avoid things like bomb plots.

Some have called, as you mentioned in a recent Foreign Affairs article, for the appointment of a director of national intelligence. I don't see how that position would differ from the director of central intelligence (DCI).

Bingo. You broke the code. If people really wanted to give authority over all these intelligence agencies, they do not need a new grand design to do it; they could have given that authority to the DCI years ago. And the reason that he doesn't have as much authority as some critics now believe he should have is that it has always been resisted for reasons that are both good and bad.

Good reasons: there are benefits to having independent centers of collection analysis in the community; also, each department that has its own intelligence unit has its own specific needs and needs to have a unit that is very responsive to them. Bad reasons: all the normal bureaucratic turf wars and jealousies that go with any complex organization like the U.S. government. A new director of national intelligence could have a revolutionary impact if he or she were given authority to direct the missions, the priorities, and the activities of all the 15 intelligence agencies throughout all the departments of the government. But I will believe that when I see it. The risk is getting legislation that creates a new director of national intelligence with a fancy title and a vague mandate to exert more authority but who doesn't have the actual last word on what all these agencies will do. It's very hard for me to believe that the departments--the State Department, the Treasury Department, the Energy Department, and most especially, the Defense Department--will allow that sort of complete authority over a unit within their department to be given to somebody outside of their department.

How does the current system work in practice? The DCI, of course, runs the Central Intelligence Agency. He also chairs interagency meetings on intelligence, but does he have any authority over the Pentagon's huge operation?

He has a lot of control over budget allocations and organizing programs because of previous legislation and because [the DCI's] authority has increased over the years. He doesn't have complete control over everything the National Security Agency or the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Bureau of Intelligence and Research in the State Department--everything that they do from day to day. He does have a lot of influence over resources, but it's not complete control. If you want to give him complete control, you might as well have a Department of National Intelligence, just like the departments of State and Justice, in which all the intelligence agencies are taken out of those other departments and put into this new department with one secretary of intelligence. But [even though] many are promoting this big reform of a director of national intelligence, I don't know anyone who's actually advocating taking these units out of the other departments.

Who have been the best directors of central intelligence? And who would make a good one now?

There's no one answer to the last question. Because the job is so complex and involves so many different kinds of skills, no one individual is going to have all of them, and therefore, it depends on what you think is the highest priority. One could make a case for a number of things: a business manager, a consummate analyst, a spy master. Choices among [those] priorities would probably lead you to different choices of directors.

One of my favorites is James Schlesinger, who was only in the job for a few months [in 1973], back in the Nixon administration. I like him for parochial reasons. Being an academic, I put high priority on the importance of analysis, and he was about the only professional analyst we had in the job. He also had a lot of administrative experience in several areas of the national security bureaucracy--the Atomic Energy Commission, the Bureau of the Budget, and elsewhere--so he brought a breadth of experience and sensitivity to intelligence problems from the government as a whole and from within the intelligence community. That, I think, is an ideal combination of analytic skills and managerial and policy background.