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To: DayTraderKidd who wrote (293)	6/24/2004 1:39:34 PM
From: exdaytrader76	Respond to of 2772

fwiw imo you are correct. Much of religion is based on fear of God. This is only one of many facets of many religions, and it does not necessary have to be a bad thing, depending upon one's beliefs. Moses: Deuteronomy 10:20 Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name. JC Luke 12:4 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. Mohammed: Koran(The Cow) 3 [2.41] ...Me alone should you fear. God.... not cows :) 6[2.112] Yes! whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and he is the doer of good (to others) he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve. PS - Moo! Subject 55000

To: DayTraderKidd who wrote (293)	6/24/2004 2:05:14 PM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2772

Thats all any religions are. Not really. Having faith and following the Word is not especially convenient at first. We are brought up with a very much non-biblical world view. A faith of convenience may get you to church on sunday and the bar on Monday, but following Him, stops all that. All religions are fear based including yours. That statement could easily be replaced by "if you die for your god you will go to heaven and 72 virgins will await you". Do I fear hell. Sure. Any sane person would. Is that what motivates me, no. I don't consider religion fear based at all. Glorify the name of God, strive to become like him, know that when He is on your side, you are undefeatable. You are loved and accepted, warts and all. A true belief removes all fear and doubt. They are all mainly based on collective thinking and fear based manipulation. No different than the Koran. What's the manipulation in reading the Bible and following it's principles? People loving one another, helping one another, shunning sin, staying true to one another, honoring one another and respecting one another. Manipulation is required to accept all that? I doubt it. If you need to be manipulated to quit behaviours that are not Godlike, then you will most definitely feel pressured but manipulated, nope. As you study the Bible and start learning verses, you also learn that certain things you do are not pleasing to your creator. Further lots of these actions will keep you from knowing Him and spending eternity with Him. These are what need to be changed. But the wish to change, the pressure, the manipulation, to use your term, comes from within you. It is not external. You must first acknowledge a belief and acceptance of Christ before any of this matters. Otherwise, you're rolling the dice on eternity. I'd very much like to chang eyour opinion here, but as I said, I'm new at this and am not capable of the words to convey why you should believe.