To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (137878 ) 6/24/2004 9:06:26 PM From: spiral3 Respond to of 281500 Is an expression of agreement only allowed on this thread if it agrees with your views? and The point, my dear fellow, is bias. Dude this is Kens board. Within the overall limits of SI’s tou, he can do with it what he wants. He’s earned that Right in every way, imho. Judging by your posts here today, the former, the subject of Right, or Rights, seems to be of some concern to you, and the latter, being mho, is something I’m sure you don’t give a stuff about. Nevertheless Mr. Long, read this, it might help.Chuang Tzu Discusses Making All Things Equal lorenwebster.net >>> Suppose you and I have had an argument. If you have beaten me instead of my beating you, then are you necessarily right and am I necessarily wrong? If I have beaten you instead of you beating me, then am I necessarily right and are you necessarily wrong? Is one of us right and the other wrong? Are both of us right or are both of us wrong? If you and I don't know the answer, then other people are bound to be even more in the dark. Whom shall we get to decide what is right? Shall we get someone who agrees with you to decide? But if he already agrees with you, how can he decide fairly? Shall we get someone who agrees with me? But if he already agrees with me, how can he decide? Shall we get someone who disagrees with both of us? But if he already disagrees with both of us, how can he decide? Shall we get someone who agrees with both of us? But if he already agrees with both of us, how can he decide? Obviously, then, neither you nor I nor anyone else can know the answer. Shall we wait for still another person? But waiting for one shifting voice to pass judgment on another is the same as waiting for none of them. Harmonize them all with the Equality of t'ien leave them to their endless changes and so live out your years What do I mean by harmonizing them with the Equality of t'ien? Right is not right; so is not so. If right were really right it would differ so clearly from not right that there would be no need for argument. If so were really so, it would differ so clearly from not so that there would be no need for argument. Forget the years, forget distinctions. Leap into the boundless and make it your home! <<< iow, colloquially that is, lest I misspeak, or be misunderstood, the short and sweet of it is, let it go. Regarding your earlier investigation as to the meaning of Right, if it is language that is the problem, then for a different translation of the above excerpt, you might prefer this link. clas.ufl.edu