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To: sea_urchin who wrote (21286)	6/25/2004 4:25:00 PM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 80914

> They thought Iraq was a free-lunch, with oil on tap, now they find out it was anything but. informationclearinghouse.info

To: sea_urchin who wrote (21286)	6/26/2004 1:04:47 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 80914

Wrong again in my and others' thoughtful world view, Searle. This IS a war we must not lose! <font color=slateblue> Post-Modern Terrorism (excerpted) FAIR USE DOCTRINE, for discussion purposes June 26, 2004 michnews.com Dr. Earl H. Tilford World War IV is total war on a global scale..... World War IV seems complex but keep in mind during World War III (the Cold War) while American forces fought... The “War on Terror” is no less complicated and similarly encompassing.... Al Qaeda presents the most expansive and acute threat to the United States... As a part of its global threat, al Qaeda fighters oppose US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Additionally, al Qaeda poses an immediate threat to the stability of pro-Western and traditional Moslem regimes like Saudi Arabia. Its ultimate strategic goal is to establish a radical Islamic world order. Al Qaeda uses terror as its primary tactic in achieving its goals... What’s the difference??? The ultimate goal of al Qaeda, Hezbollah and associated organizations like... Ultimately, superior strategy wins wars. Osama bin Laden has a three-stage strategy designed to achieve Islamic world domination. Stage One: Take control of the Middle East... Stage Two: Take control of secondary Moslem countries starting with Turkey and Pakistan... Stage Three: Isolate, dominate and then destroy the Judeo-Christian countries of ... This is World War IV. Forget the sleazy sickness of Abu Ghraib. Stop mouthing meaningless slogans like, “Bush lied, soldiers died.” Steel yourselves for a long, bloody fight. This is a war we must not lose.</font> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Earl H. Tilford is Professor of History at Grove City College. He enjoyed an extensive military career and after retiring from the U.S. Air Force, served as an associate professor of history at Troy State University in Montgomery and professor of military history at the U.S. Air Force Air Command and Staff College. In 1993 he became director of research at the U.S. Army's Strategic Studies Institute in Carlisle, Pa., where he worked on a project that looked at possible future terrorist threats. He has authored three books on the Vietnam War and co-edited a book on Operation Desert Storm. He has lectured throughout the U.S. and abroad on the Vietnam War and, more recently, the future of armed conflict. ========== Commentary: This Tilford pretty much sums up my opinion...and says it much better and more succintly than I ever could. Piss on Gallop pollsters.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (21286)	7/5/2004 7:00:29 AM
From: mcg404	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 80914

Searle, <simply on the basis of a perceived cost-benefit analysis> You give americans too much credit for rational analysis. (g) But i agree with you in a way. I think this is the process: the rationale reason (ie, cheap, plentiful oil) is always left unspoken, so we can maintain the illusion we are more than colonialists and thieves. The emotional explanations are presented as justification: maintain world security, bring humanitarian relief to the oppressed iraqi people, bring civilization to a backward country (ie, the american consumer lifestyle), etc. The potential of the hoped-for result of cheap oil ended many months ago but since that was always the unspoken reason, we had no reason to do anything but dig in our heels, stay the course, not back away from a fight, etc, etc. But now with the torture scandal, americans come face-to-face with the difficult evidence that we are no better and no worse than any of our enemies, just plain flawed human beings, and the illusion of our spoken rationale is shattered...so its time to pack our bags and restore sovereignty...our work is done here...good luck, we've done all we can to help you folks...have a great day. john