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To: Ali Chen who wrote (178411)6/26/2004 4:04:22 PM
From: willcousa  Respond to of 186894
 
Ali, that was quite good. Thank-you. Will



To: Ali Chen who wrote (178411)6/26/2004 4:52:05 PM
From: Elmer Phud  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Ali -

I don't mind your analysis but at least get it right. In your usual confusion you have completely distorted the point.

It is quite simple really and even you should be able to grasp it, in time. I buy 100 Shares @ $20 and sell a $20 CC. Later the call is exercised and I deliver the 100 shares at $20. I neither make or lose anything on that transaction, premium not included in this calculation, regardless of the current share price. If I buy more shares @ $30 it doesn't change the first transaction. The fact that you can't see that is disappointing but not in the least surprising.



To: Ali Chen who wrote (178411)6/26/2004 10:06:42 PM
From: rkral  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
OT .. Ali, you are treating an opportunity lost -- an opportunity cost -- as a loss, but opportunity cost is not an accounting concept. It is an economic one.

Imagine you were considering investing $1000 in either ABC or XYZ stock. You chose ABC and the stock goes nowhere ... while XYZ doubles. But you didn't lose $1000 on ABC. You just lost the opportunity to gain $1000 on XYZ. It's similar for a covered call.

If you write a naked call (for 100 shares) with a $20 strike and get a $3 premium, you lose $700 if the call is exercised when the stock is $30.

However, if you buy-write @ $20, -- simultaneously buy stock @ $20 and write its call with a $20 strike -- and get a $3 premium, you gain $300 if the call is exercised, no matter the stock price. So, even if the stock is $30 at the time of exercise, you didn't lose $700 -- you gained $300.

You might also consider the IRS tax treatment of a covered call (or buy-write) that is exercised.

"If a call you write is exercised and you sell the underlying stock, increase your amount realized on the sale of the stock by the amount you received for the call when figuring your gain or loss. The gain or loss is long term or short term depending on your holding period of the stock."
IRS Publication 550, "Investment Income and Expenses", page 56
irs.gov

Ron