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To: philv who wrote (21299)	6/27/2004 11:36:47 PM
From: philv	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 80935

In the interest of balance, Christopher Hitchens rips Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 film in a piece entitled "Unfairenheit 9/11 The lies of Michael Moore. By Christopher Hitchens" A very strong counter argument, well written. slate.msn.com This question, like the Kennedy Assassination, will not die.

To: philv who wrote (21299)	6/28/2004 11:17:51 AM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 80935

Phil > The way things have evolved, with big business and big money influencing and buying political favours, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth I think it's even more than that. I would go so far as saying there is, in fact, a second, covert government in the US which operates from the Pentagon and which has nothing to do with "ordinary" individuals. This is the "military-industrial complex", a term coined by President Eisenhower and which, over the years, has gone from strength to strength. This is the lair of the neocons and it is here that real policy is determined. This is also the seat of the real power in the US. In my opinion, the President, today, is largely a figurehead. If he doesn't do as he is told he can get impeached or bumped off and, indeed, I can't imagine why anyone in his right senses would want such a job. In the circumstances, W is clearly the ideal person. If Kerry has any brains he would run for his life, money or no money, because he's not going to change anything even if he wanted to. > and I am not a radical left wing nut. You might find by today's standards that you are! Anyone with any feelings is regarded as a "liberal" and if he expresses an "antiwar" stance then he is effectively a "terrorist" because he is, tacitly, a "terrorist sympathizer".

To: philv who wrote (21299)	6/28/2004 12:16:42 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 80935

Phil > Sadly, maybe there simply is no practical better way. It seems that you, in Canada, are shortly going to find out. xymphora.blogspot.com >>Sunday, June 27, 2004 Americans whose knuckles don't drag on the ground should be deeply concerned about the upcoming Canadian election. If the Conservatives manage to form the government, they will quickly and systematically dismantle all those things in Canada that many progressive Americans look to as proof that common sense in politics is possible. Some almost certain changes: no more abortion rights; no more gay marriages; reinstatement of the death penalty; a great reduction in gun control; total annihilation of the single-payer government-funded health care system (they plan to do it by opening a parallel private system of health care, to which all the best professionals will of course gravitate, and then so underfund the public system that everyone will be forced to either buy insurance, pay, or do without, just like the United States); deficit financing used to fund huge tax cuts for the rich and for corporations, with the deficit then used as the excuse for underfunding of social programs; removal of all the recent election finance reforms in Canada, so the rich can buy elections just like in the United States; greatly increased use of the prison system to create an American-style prison-industrial complex and its accompanying opportunities for profit, all based an a draconian 'law and order' use of the police as a method of social control, with particular use of the 'war on drugs' as an excuse for imprisonment; great, but subtle, restrictions on non-white immigration. To demonstrate how bad it is, Harper, the leader of the Conservatives, first came to prominence in Canada as the head of an extreme right-wing corporate-power lobby group originally set up to lobby against publicly-finded health care. He is following the George Bush script to a tee, managing to depict himself as a moderate, a 'compassionate conservative'. This is a lie. He is clearly a radical corporate shill, and his party is filled with radical religious fruitcakes. Even some left-wingers are arguing that Harper isn't as dangerous as he seems because he'll never be able to accomplish his agenda. Americans said the same thing about George Bush. Don't believe it! If Harper wins, Canada is over. If Canada goes completely evil, what will progressive Americans point to an an example of a possible alternative?<<