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To: JohnM who wrote (51869)	6/28/2004 10:49:51 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793883

And there is no doubt in my mind that the more the Bush folk and his media allies criticize the film, the better the turnout will be. Oh, I am sure of it. 60 Minutes gave Moore his 15 minutes of fame last night. The media is really pushing it. I think Hitchen's review was one of the best things he has done. Will it hurt Bush? Of course.

To: JohnM who wrote (51869)	6/28/2004 1:35:02 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793883

Of course you like it, John. Ridiculous polemics are always fun when they are coming from your corner of the political field. But if the Dems are relying on Moore as their messenger - even Cole can't omit how ridiculous and disconnected the message of the film is - then woe is them.

To: JohnM who wrote (51869)	6/28/2004 1:47:06 PM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 793883

Cole's best paragraph: The interview with Michigan congressman John Conyers in which Conyers reveals that no one in Congress was allowed to read the Patriot Act before voting on it was breathtaking. I recently sat next to Conyers on a plane, and he explained to me that the final version of the bill, which had been very extensively changed, was delivered the night before the vote. He said it wasn't strange for a few minor changes to be made at such a late stage, but that it was his impression that virtually a new bill was dropped on the hapless Congress at the last moment. It is huge, and would have been impossible to read all the way through with attention under those circumstances. Most of Congress has legal training. Rule No. 1 of Law Practice: Never, but never sign anything which has not been read and thought about. Conyers and the rest who complain about not being able to read the bill before voting for it make me laugh because they are labeling themselves as dopes. How can they now defend any criticism of the bill if they voted for it? By saying "I'm a chump who doesn't read what I vote on?" or "The devil made me do it?" Their remedy was simple: threaten to vote against the bill unless sufficient time was allowed to consider the revisions and vote against it if additional time was not forthcoming.

To: JohnM who wrote (51869)	6/28/2004 2:32:31 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793883

"The most devastating part for Bush was Moore's use of the 7 minutes Bush sat in the Florida classroom after he learned the second plane had hit the WTC." How was that devastating? What did you want him to do John--hit a kid? What would you have done--cried? Can you even imagine what it would take to gather yourself when faced with a catastrophe? I can't. Mike PS I know what Michael Moore would have done however. He would have crapped his pants but no one would have noticed given the smell that permeates the air when he arrives.