To: one_less who wrote (586172 ) 6/28/2004 6:40:06 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 "And why is it that women still flock to him if he's made such "a shambles of women's issues?" There is no 'if'. The once very powerful N.O.W. is a shell of its former self, populated by dinosaurs from the defunct social agendas. The most amazing force for social change the world has ever seen (left wing social change) was stopped in its tracks. The group that made a big wup over Clarence Thomas being accused of telling dirty jokes couldn't cough up an objection to the long list of corroborating witnesses who accused clinton of more and more serious offenses harrassment, assault, adultery, and rape... this was from among his own left wingers. He abused their trust, just as he did the nation when he used the oval office to damage the lives of citizens (left wingers) who he had used and abused. Excuse me, but this is a bunch of trumped up hogwash. If NOW is suffering, its not because Slick Willie did them in....its because they are out of step. I know tons of women in their 20s and 30s who see NOW as the dinosaur you reference. They have a different perspective than the founders of NOW. If NOW wants to survive and grow, it must adapt to the changing times like any other organization. Bill Clinton can hardly be held accountable for NOW's failures just because he had a BJ with Lewinsky.The right wing charged him with purgery. A crime against the state. To say anyone cared about his personal and private pleasure is ridiculus. Well we care at the level we care about any gossip but that's not much. To say that he was impeached for having a bj is equivalent to saying the only thing Al Capone ever did bad was hire a sloppy accountant. Holy Juniper, he lied about having a BJ with a woman. This is hardly the stuff of high treason. The right needs to get a clue.......Slick Willie is back and the fact he purgered himself is a dog that just won't hunt.....it didn't back then and it doesn't now. So get over it!Save clinton to save roe vs wade was the battle cry of the late 90s. Every thing else was sacrificed at the abortion alter. He knew it and allowed every single agenda to crumble under his self centered push to hold onto power. Why don't you chill and come join the rest of us in the 21st century. "And why is it that women still flock to him...?" I have asked the same question of the women themselves. The answers are unbelievably sad. He is a charismatic and charming speaker and very little else. You are flat out deceiving yourself. To be charismatic means you have substance.......you and I both know that. There are not such good looking guys with charisma who can keep up with the best looking of Hollywood actors. Charisma is special; it means you think, you're aware and you're alive. Thanks for making my point!I have also asked women of principle who have a great deal of self confidence and integrity what they think of him. They see him as a disgusting pig. Yeah, and how much you want to bet they would drop their panties in a NY minute if he was interested?