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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (49951)6/29/2004 7:50:44 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
"...but I certainly trust Michael Moore more than I trust the president."
Fahrenheit 9/11
Jun 23, 2004

By Michelle Hogan and Alfonso A. Castillo
Staff Writers

June 28, 2004

A sure-footed Republican and self-described "ardent Bush-Cheney supporter," Alan Wilenski found none of his other right-leaning friends and family willing to go along with his Sunday afternoon plans.

But the Alan Wilenski who stepped out of the Farmingdale Multiplex Cinemas yesterday afternoon, after the 12:40 showing of "Fahrenheit 9/11," was a different man. Hands in pockets, his expression contemplative, he left with more than a new perspective. He left with three more tickets to a later showing of Michael Moore's politically combustible documentary criticizing the Bush administration and the war in Iraq.











"It's really given me pause to think about what's really going on," said Wilenski, 50, of Plainview. "There was just too much - too much to discount."

Wilenski was one of thousands of moviegoers who packed more than a dozen Long Island theaters showing the film.

"The movie was very eye-opening," said Ruth Whittaker, 47, of East Northport, who saw the film in Commack with her son Ian, 17. "There were suspicions I had, and they all came into focus. ... We've just opened up a Pandora's Box."

Despite yesterday's picture-perfect weather, the film sold out several showings in various Long Island theaters since opening Friday.

Even with less than 900 theaters showing the film nationally, "Fahrenheit 9/11" was the top-grossing film of the weekend, earning $21.8 million, according to studio estimates released yesterday, and is on pace to become the top-earning non-concert documentary in history.

The movie stirred myriad emotions among those who saw it this weekend. Some talked of crying at the sight of slain American soldiers. Others said they saw people walk out in disgust.

John Berner was especially moved by a scene depicting Bush's initial reaction to news of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks while speaking to a classroom full of children. "The look on his face really showed someone who is not in control," said Berner, 42, of Huntington.

Few, however, said the movie changed their political views about Bush or the war.

"It's just going to confirm them," said Roz Michels, 60, of Deer Park, who opposes Bush and the war. "I made up my mind a long time ago."

Michael Freed said people should see the film, regardless of their political leanings. "You have no right to have an opinion unless you see the movie," said Freed, 51, of Plainview, who caught the movie in Farmingdale yesterday. "It's the same way people want to have an opinion about this country, but they don't vote."

Many young people filing into theaters hoped the movie would be a civics lesson for them. "I know there are things that I don't like about Bush, but I don't know too much about the war issue, so I'm hoping to get some insight on that," said Charlene Miller, 22, of Lindenhurt, who described herself as "anti-Bush," but went to see the movie with Bush-supporter boyfriend Jesse Phillips, 25, also of Lindenhurst, who served in the Persian Gulf with the Navy.

"It is a biased movie," Phillips said as he entered the theater. "But I'm not going to completely just blow it off."

While many viewers - even opponents of Bush - said they would watch the film with a skeptical eye, others were willing to give Moore's film the benefit of the doubt.

"He's not making fun of the administration. He's speaking the truth," said Richard Arrucci, 68, of Dix Hills. "I'm hoping a lot of people will see it and it will affect the outcome of the election."

"He's never really been pro-Republican," said Suzanne Defree, 26, of East Northport, "but I certainly trust Michael Moore more than I trust the president."
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.



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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (49951)6/29/2004 8:10:24 AM
From: T L Comiskey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
"a significant number of young Canadians would use "evil" to describe their U.S. neighbours."

That cuts it..
No more Canadian Bacon...
but........whats in a name..?
Dead pig is.. still....dead pig..
Lets hope the 'Frost Backs' stay up there..
till
global warming freezes over

T



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (49951)6/29/2004 8:46:08 AM
From: bacchus_ii  Respond to of 89467
 
(Last week Conservative was almost 5% ahead of Liberal, after Moore's film (and comments), they lost with 10%. Bacc)

Michael Moore vs. Stephen Harper
June 22, 2004
Dan Brown

It's been widely reported that Michael Moore wanted his latest documentary, Fahrenheit 9/11, released well in advance of the upcoming U.S. election. Moore calls the movie - which is about U.S. President George W. Bush's handling of the Sept. 11 crisis, as well as the war in Iraq - an opinion piece, and it has already generated plenty of headlines because the filmmaker has been unapologetic about slamming Bush.

Moore has made it clear that he hopes Fahrenheit 9/11 will convince American voters to remove Bush from the White House come November 2. What became known only in the last few days is that Moore also hopes his creation will have a similar effect in Canada.

Moore was in this country last week for the film's official Canadian premiere. He said that he pushed to have the movie released here before June 28, apparently over the protests of domestic distributors, who didn't want it to interfere with the federal vote.

"And I said, no, no, no. Even if it's just four days before the election, you've got to get something out there to inspire people to do the right thing here," Moore told the Toronto Star on Saturday. By doing the right thing, Moore means that Canadians should not vote for Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, who Moore believes is a Bush toady intent on slashing the social safety net.

But how likely is it that Fahrenheit 9/11 will sway Canadian voters? The film lands in theatres on June 25 - is that enough time for its anti-Bush rhetoric to resonate? Will moviegoers in this country even make the necessary imaginative leap, linking Bush with Harper in their minds?

Tamara Gottlieb is a pollster with the opinion-research firm Compas Inc. She is blunt about Fahrenheit 9/11's chances of taking votes away from Harper.

"It will not have any impact on the election," she says.

In fact, Gottlieb can't think of any instances where pop culture has had an impact on Canadian politics.

"I can think of lots examples where it hasn't," she says. "Paul Martin was going to win the leadership with or without Bono, right? The Barenaked Ladies, which are arguably one of Canada's most successful music groups, have been campaigning for the NDP for years. They really haven't done a lot to help the NDP."

Gottlieb doesn't think that the pre-release buzz about Fahrenheit 9/11 has changed anyone's mind about supporting Harper, either. That's because Moore is preaching to the converted.

"The people who are going to listen to a person like Moore … are not people who would have, by any stretch of the imagination, ever considered voting Conservative," she says, although she does grant that the controversial filmmaker may have given people who have already decided to vote against Harper an added reason to turn out on Election Day.

"Conservatives, by their nature, are less likely to listen to Hollywood stars for advice," she adds.

Kady O'Malley is a freelance journalist who covers Parliament Hill. She disagrees with Gottlieb, pointing out that almost anything has the potential to affect the outcome of an election, especially a close one.

"You never know what's going to do it," she says.

In last year's Ontario election, to name just one recent example, voters were angered when the Progressive Conservatives sent out a press release labeling Dalton McGuinty "an evil reptilian kitten eater from another planet," a description borrowed from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It seemed like a trifling matter at the time, but it touched a nerve with many people who were turning against the Tories.

O'Malley refers to the campaign by the cast members of This Hour Has 22 Minutes to get Stockwell Day's name changed to Doris Day as one example of pop culture helping to shape the public's perception of a federal leader — it reinforced the general consensus that Day was a buffoon. And there are others: a 1976 Toronto Star headline - "Joe Who?" - gave Joe Clark the nickname that defined his grey public persona.

"I think everything plays into an election," O'Malley says, adding that Fahrenheit 9/11 may have an impact if the people who see it are reminded that, as head of the Canadian Alliance, Harper advocated sending troops to support Bush's invasion of Iraq.

"Most Canadians are pleased with the decision that the government took to stay out of Iraq," says O'Malley. "As far as Stephen Harper goes, it's probably one of his weakest fronts."

In O'Malley's view, Moore doesn't have to convince that many people to change their votes. "If he persuades even one per cent of Conservative voters, that could seriously have an impact on the makeup of the next Parliament," she notes.

As for the Conservatives, they are staying mum. Conservative spokesman Mike Storeshaw told CBC News Online the party is declining to comment, and noted that Moore is a private citizen who has a right to advance his views in any way he chooses.

cbc.ca

Michael Moore thanks conservatives for Fahrenheit 9/11's box-office success

Canadian Press

June 28, 2004


NEW YORK (AP) - Fahrenheit 9/11 filmmaker Michael Moore called the opening weekend numbers for his documentary "mind-boggling" and credited his political opponents for boosting ticket sales.

"They're all getting a Christmas card from me this year," said Moore, who greeted filmgoers at a downtown Manhattan theatre on Sunday. The film, an indictment of President George W. Bush's leadership and his decision to go to war in Iraq following the 2001 terrorist attacks, took in $21.8 million US in 868 American theatres in its first three days of release. It beat an opening weekend record for a documentary, $21.6 million, set by Moore's 2002 film, Bowling for Columbine.

Moore said that conservative groups helped draw attention and viewers to his latest film. He said the movie will convince "a lot of swing voters, independents and even Republicans."

Moore said it sold out in Fort Bragg, N.C., and Peoria, Ill., states that went to Bush in the 2000 presidential election.

© The Canadian Press 2004
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