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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (192436)	6/29/2004 7:20:32 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576610

re: In a campaign for re-election, there's no reason to hold the incumbent to a higher standard just because he is the incumbent. Moveon.org has made it their explicit and unapologetic purpose to get rid of Bush, and Bush should be expected to fight fire with fire. Come on man, you can see the difference. Moveon had a contest where folks submitted home made ads, somebody put up a Hitler/Bush ad, and it was taken down immediately, and disclaimed by the organization. And this wasn't the candidate. On the other hand the Bush puts up a web ad that does a Hitler/Kerry thing. And keeps it up, showing intention. It's sleazy as hell. Has nothing to do with issues, and has nothing to do with Kerry. Just blatant trashing by association, aimed at really stupid people. You've got to start reviewing the ethics of this guy. Can you imagine Reagan doing that, Kennedy, Carter, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, LBJ... no, those guys had respect for the office. Kerry wouldn't do it, as just a candidate. What's next, mount a sign on the White House "Kerry is a Nazi". At best you have to question his judgement. At worst you have to consider him a slimeball that will do anything to get reelected. John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (192436)	6/29/2004 7:35:35 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576610

Bush uses Hitler in his ads comparing Adolf to Democrats. That is awful. Kerry has never and would never authorize anything even remotely like that. Also, what Bushies did to John McCain and Max Cleland was just as disgusting. The Bushies have no issues to run on, so they try to just slander people, especially war heros it seems, but it doesn't work. It just digs their grave a little deeper. When they fall in November, they won't be coming back.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (192436)	6/29/2004 8:04:15 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576610

No. This double-standard is a poor excuse for Moveon.org giving themselves a license to throw mud, circumvent campaign finance laws, and hypocritically act "non-partisan." <font color=brown>More rightie nonsense......you're slipping into the DR category and could fall further to the Harris level.....best be careful. ;~) Now this is what moveon put out when they heard that the RNC was gunning for them on this issue.......I have highlighted the important parts to help those [not you] with reading comprehension problems. Unlike the Bush campaign, they did not sponsor any Hitler adds:<font color=black> "ADS ATTACKED BY RNC CHAIRMAN ARE NOT MOVEON.ORG VOTER FUND ADS MoveOn.org Voter Fund Regrets Screening Process Allowed Ads to Slip Through Statement by Wes Boyd, Founder of MoveOn.org Voter Fund: The Republican National Committee and its chairman have falsely accused MoveOn.org of sponsoring ads on its website which compare President Bush to Adolf Hitler. The claim is deliberately and maliciously misleading. During December the MoveOn.org Voter Fund invited members of the public to submit ads that purported to tell the truth about the President and his policies. More than 1,500 submissions from ordinary Americans came in and were posted on a web site, bushin30seconds.org, for the public to review. None of these was our ad, nor did their appearance constitute endorsement or sponsorship by MoveOn.org Voter Fund. They will not appear on TV. We do not support the sentiment expressed in the two Hitler submissions. They were voted down by our members and the public, who reviewed the ads and submitted nearly 3 million critiques in the process of choosing the 15 finalist entries. We agree that the two ads in question were in poor taste and deeply regret that they slipped through our screening process. In the future, if we publish or broadcast raw material, we will create a more effective filtering system. Contrast this with the behavior of the RNC and its allies when supporters of President Bush used TV ads morphing the face of Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) into that of Osama Bin Laden during the 2002 Senate race. MoveOn.org and the MoveOn.org Voter Fund exist to bring the public into the political process and produce a more fact-based election process. We regret that the RNC doesn't seem to embrace the same goals. Published by MoveOn.org" unknownnews.net

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (192436)	6/29/2004 8:09:28 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576610

<font color=brown> And this is from the NY Post.....the written mouthpiece of WH and FOX. Strangely, much of the right has yet to figure out that Hitler was a long and strong rightie albeit a bit fukked up!<font color=black> ***************************************************** HOWARD THE COWARD By RALPH PETERS January 5, 2004 -- IT'S fashionable in left- wing circles to describe anyone who admires America as a fascist. But the real totalitarian threats of our time come from the left. And no public figure embodies the left's contempt for basic freedoms more perfectly than Howard Dean. One secular gospel of the left preaches that the Patriot Act has drastically curtailed American freedom. Free speech, the teacup Trotskys claim, is a thing of the past. Whenever one of my forlorn leftie pals raises the issue, I ask him or her to cite a single example of how the Patriot Act has limited their personal liberty. They never can. Instead, they rail about what-ifs and slippery slopes. But Howard Dean and his Deanie-weenies do all they can to restrict the free speech of others. I can predict with certainty that Dean's Internet Gestapo will pounce on this column, twisting the facts and vilifying the writer, just as they do when anyone challenges Howard the Coward. Free speech, you see, is only for the left. Dean wants to muzzle his Democratic competitors, too. He believes the Democratic National Committee should shut them up. His followers try to intimidate other presidential aspirants by surrounding the cars delivering them to their rallies and chanting to drown out their speech. Of course, Dean denies any foreknowledge or blame. These are the techniques employed by Hitler's Brownshirts. Had Goebbels enjoyed access to the internet, he would have used the same swarm tactics as Dean's Flannelshirts. whoslying.org