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To: epicure who wrote (138500)	6/30/2004 1:42:51 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, just how do you come up with this stuff? You think about what you wish I had said, and then as a matter of wish fulfillment you respond to my imagined post, rather than the one I actually made? I usually refer to this as "straw man" argumentation, though that may not be quite the right term. A remarkably consistent technique, though.

To: epicure who wrote (138500)	6/30/2004 2:10:54 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

X, that bit about Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand in the 80s has been posted millions times, almost always to blame the US for Saddam. If you didn't mean that, I apologize. What I SAID was that Saddam managed to work the West, and work them for a long time It would be more accurate to say that the West managed to use Saddam, and use him for a long time, to curtail the mullahs of Iran. The Iran-Iraq war is not any kind of display piece for Saddam's astuteness. He started it, spent the lives of hundreds of thousands of men, gained absolutely nothing, and was only saved from outright defeat by the West which hated the mullahs worse than him.