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To: Joe NYC who wrote (192707)6/30/2004 10:33:27 PM
From: SilentZ  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1577025
 
>No, he was the worst. Only Palestinian Authority and Taliban are close, IMO.

Ummm... how about Iran, Syria/Lebanon, SA? Bush himself described Saddam the other day as "one of the worst dictators in the Middle East." "one of the"

>I think it is a little condescending to say that. It has been said about many countries that they are not ready for democracy, that there is no democratic tradition. Well, start one! Europe is now all democratic, with some problematic areas such as Ukraine, Belarus, even Russia, but it is a long way from where it was 20 years ago. The start is to overthrow the dictatorship, and then let things work out themselves. In many cases the do.

The Arab world is different. I may sound racist, but there are two important factors: first off, the "countries" are artificial imperial creations; the countries of the former Soviet Union broke apart, for the most part, into countries that made ethnic sense. Second, there's this whole "culture of death" and widespread fundamentalism.

My gut feeling just isn't positive.

>THe multi-ethnic nature of Iraq is a big problem. Maybe partition will happen. It happened in Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, with very successful results. Why not Iraq?

Because there are way too many parties who have an interest in that not happening. Lotsa forces at work here.

>I wish we had done a better job at preparing Iraqis to take over.

Agreed.

-Z



To: Joe NYC who wrote (192707)6/30/2004 10:35:31 PM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577025
 
So why did Bush hand over Fallujah to the Taliban like Al Qaida Baathists? (Or whoever they are. Do we even know who we're fighting?)

I thought this was a WAR on terror in Iraq. Why did he give up against El Sadr? I thought he was a terrorist thug and Bush was going to hunt him down like a dog? And why did he let Osama go at Tora Bora and let all his realatives out of the US without being interrogated after 9-11? I thought Bush was going to smoke them out of their caves. Something stinks in the White House and it's not Bush's feet. he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, unless oilfields are involved. Notice that?

Is Bush cutting and running in Iraq (excpet for the oilfields), or just sitting there until the election is over? He just flip-flopped bigtime on Iraq. No more saber rattling at all from the White House. They seem to be sauying Al Qaida and El Sadr can have the place, just no more bad news on TV.