To: LindyBill who wrote (52611 ) 7/3/2004 12:46:56 AM From: gamesmistress Respond to of 793914 Boy, those Iraqis are tough: Saddam guilty as hell: Iraqis By Nicolas Rothwell in Baghdad July 3, 2004 THE court proceedings against deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein may be only just beginning, but already the people's verdict - clear-eyed, cool, unrelenting - is in. Even as the violence continued yesterday, with scattered explosions and several rockets fired at the Sheraton Hotel, Baghdad's voices were raised in common response to the extraordinary sight of the old leader facing arraignment live on national television. At an easygoing teahouse on Abdul Jafar Street in south Baghdad, proprietor Hashem, gap-toothed and determined, weighs his words with care: "We want to see justice. We want the law to be applied to Saddam. Of course many Iraqis think he should be killed - we lived through 35 years of his dreadful regime. "It hurts to see a man humiliated that way, but Saddam made his own bed with the things he did." Like many others at the tea-house, as cards are played and backgammon boards scrutinised, Hashem feels the route of justice - justice seen and exercised - is vital, so as to mark out the new order from the old. Hashem has raised a family - "only" five children - under the overthrown Baathist party state. Now he sees hope for the younger generation in a new kind of country, governed by the rule of law. Alongside him, Haji Thamra, who went to Mecca for the pilgrimage aged 17, and now has young children of his own, describes the shock he felt on watching the dictator facing justice. "It was astonishing. There he was. He jailed our people, he killed us, we suffered through three wars because of him - we haven't even been able to build our own future because we were all fighting in the army - so of course I'm happy to see him in the dock. It feels like the start of a new way for Iraq." The nargila - the hookah pipe, its smoke accented with strawberry and cappuccino lozenges - is passed around, the discussion mounts. There should be detailed presentation of the evidence against Saddam and his henchmen, all the tea-drinkers and card-players say. Even the young men among them feel a moment of urgent significance in the national story that has just been played out before their eyes. There is, though, a faint dissenting current. A lone voice holds out. Hakim, a solemn, well-educated economist, sees some virtue in Saddam's conduct: "Not as the president of this country, of course, because he was very harsh". In fact, Saddam's regime killed Hakim's brother in 1975. But the dictator had his followers, and Hakim admired Saddam's determination, and believes his wars were fought to defend national honour. There is a certain amazement at these views, as the cards are shuffled and the thick-sugared tea cools. And then the gathered crowd remembers that Hakim comes from Tikrit, the old dictator's home town. Blood and local allegiance still run strongly here. So, too, does vengeance. Just the day before, one of the fallen regime's key military strongmen was shot a block from this tea-house, and left for dead. news.com.au