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To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/3/2004 3:22:04 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think you're asking the wrong crowd.

To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/3/2004 9:20:52 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

an eagerness to believe the worst of one's country What would you say about people who believe that the Clintons had Vince Foster and Ron Brown offed? Who can't even contemplate Hillary Clinton without calling her names like "Old Crusty" (because she wears the same pantsuit, or one just like it, all the time)? Take a step back. Is there no unfair criticism you can remember leveling in the past? Did you ever, say, call the New York Times the "New York Slimes"? Have you never said unkind things about, say, Jimmy Carter? Come on, 'fess up, we're all anonymous here. ;^)

To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/3/2004 10:27:13 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Some of us think that the persistent equating of W and America is a typical cheesy high school debate trick, but we live with it.

To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/3/2004 10:39:57 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Anyone who thought the worst of his friends on a regular basis would be considered a jerk, not a free thinker. Some of us think that an eagerness to believe the worst of one's country is at least as dubious. Are you calling the Founding Fathers jerks? jttmab

To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/5/2004 1:22:48 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

People who wear ideas on their sleeves as badges of friendship are dangerous -- we need people who think, not people who receive ideas as "disloyal". When an extremely serious set of bad policy decisions is made, it is not disloyal to speak out.

To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/5/2004 1:24:44 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

BERLIN, July 5 (Reuters) - Iraq's German coach Bernd Stange said on Monday he had resigned his job "with deep regrets" because of the deteriorating security in Iraq after leading the team for nearly two turbulent-filled years. Stange, who guided Iraq from the closing months of Saddam Hussein's regime into the violent-filled post-war era, said he no longer felt safe in Iraq and it was becoming increasingly impossible to train a football team amid the worsening turmoil. "It is with deep regrets that I decided to dissolve my contract with the Iraq football association," Stange told Reuters in a telephone interview from his home in eastern Germany. He said he was heeding warnings from the German Foreign Office as well as his own bodyguard to stay out of Iraq because security for foreigners could no longer be remotely ensured, Stange said. au.news.yahoo.com

To: Neocon who wrote (138704)	7/5/2004 1:27:59 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

Winning more hearts and minds <Up to 15 Said Killed in Fallujah Attack BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. jets attacked a house in the turbulent city of Fallujah on Monday, witnesses and police said. As many as 15 people were killed in the blast, an Arab television station reported. Ambulances headed to the eastern side of the city, where U.S. airstrikes have frequently targeted safehouses used by members of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's network. Rescue workers picked up body parts, witnesses said. "U.S. jets shelled a residential house in the al-Shuhdaa neighborhood in Fallujah," said police Capt. Mekky Hussein al-Zaidan. The U.S. military had no comment on the attack. story.news.yahoo.com