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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (34209)7/7/2004 11:25:48 PM
From: WaynersRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
They found dozens of mustard gas and Sarin shells. You say there was no imminent threat, and no need to invade Iraq for national security reasons. Thats great! Your hindsight is 20/20! In January 2003 NOBODY KNEW THAT. Clinton said in 1998 that he didn't know. They bombed suspected WMD sites but afterward didn't know what they bombed. The CIA didn't know. Nobody knew. Here we are over year later and now your expectation is for a time machine to see if there were WMD. The UN inspectors were obstructed in their searches over 12 years and even kicked out of the country in 1998. If the UN was so sure after 7 years of inspections there there were no WMD why did they keep looking for another 5 years? Look at the Statement of Democrats and Replublicans priort to the war. Nobody knew for sure one way or the other. You going to risk how many US lives that Saddam if he does have isn't going to hand them off to a third party terrorist organization to secretly do the attacks? Thats mighty nice of you to gamble with millions of U.S. lives.



To: Orcastraiter who wrote (34209)7/8/2004 12:55:00 AM
From: SkywatcherRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Kenny-Boy and George
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Wednesday 07 July 2004

You have to love the irony: Since Kerry announced his VP choice of John Edwards, the Bush
campaign has broadbanded the anti-Edwards slam that he is nothing more than your basic
gutter-dwelling trial lawyer. This comes blithely on the heels of Bush hiring his own trial lawyer to
protect him during the 70-minute Oval Office interrogation he endured regarding the Valerie Plame
CIA-outing case some weeks ago. Everyone hates lawyers until they need one, it seems.

Perhaps Bush doesn't like trial lawyers because a team of them failed to keep his long-time friend
and financial backer, Kenneth Lay, from getting his hide nailed to the shed in Houston. According to
CNN, Lay was indicted by a Texas grand jury today for crimes relating to the apocalyptic Enron
scandal. The indictment is sealed until further notice, so no determination of the exact criminal charges
can be made.

Damn lawyers.

For those who cannot quite recall the specifics of Ken Lay and Enron, a bit of background is in
order. Lay, along with Andrew Fastow, Jeffrey Skilling and some dozens of other high-flying bosses
from Enron, are accused of insider trading, securities fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy, manipulation of
earnings reports to hide the fact that Enron was hemorrhaging cash from every pore while they reaped
massive salaries and bonuses, and finally, manipulation of the California energy market for no other
reason than to wring pin money out of grandmothers who were forced to live in the dark because they
couldn't afford to pay their Enron-inflated energy bills.

Tape recordings of Enron energy traders were recently aired by CBS News. In one segment, the
traders can be heard discussing the ins and outs of manipulating the California energy market. "They're
fucking taking all the money back from you guys?" complains one Enron employee. "All the money
you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in California?" The response: "Yeah, grandma Millie,
man." Another response: "Yeah, now she wants her fucking money back for all the power you've
charged right up, jammed right up her asshole for fucking $250 a megawatt hour."

Charming.

In filing the largest bankruptcy claim in the history of the universe, Lay and his merry men cost
investors somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 billion. This wiped out retirement benefits not just for
the Enron employees who were forbidden from selling their stock (while Lay et al. happily shucked
theirs off to the tune of a $1.1 billion profit), but also wiped out the retirement portfolios of millions of
Americans who had put their savings into Enron stock. The resulting carnage on Wall Street, which
erased the accounting giant Arthur Andersen, did even more financial damage.

Martha Stewart was convicted of crimes that seem quaint by comparison, and meanwhile Mr. Lay
has been walking free and happy. How did the priorities of the Justice Department get so far out of
whack on this one? The Enron debacle happened in December of 2001, and it has taken them almost
a thousand days to get an indictment returned on Lay.

Hm.

Enron made campaign contributions totaling more than $5.7 million between 1989 and 2001.
Republicans received 73% of this money. Ken Lay was an ardent supporter of George W. Bush during
Bush's time as Governor of Texas. During the 2000 campaign, Lay allowed Bush to use Enron
corporate jets to fly from stump speech to stump speech. So close were these men that Bush granted
Lay a nickname: 'Kenny-Boy.'

Some 15 high-ranking Bush administration officials owned Enron stock in 2002. The stockholders
included Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld, political advisor Karl Rove, deputy EPA administrator Linda
Fisher, Treasury Undersecretary Peter Fisher and U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Zoellick. Army Secretary
Thomas White was a vice-chairman for Enron before assuming his post, and owned between $50
million and $100 million in Enron stock.

Two other officials had professional connections to Enron. Former White House economic adviser
Lawrence Lindsey was a consultant for Enron while serving as managing director of Economic
Strategies Inc., a consulting firm. Zoellick also served on the Enron advisory council, earning $50,000 a
year.

Enron, in many respects, set about to write the Bush administration's energy policy. Ken Lay gave
the White House a list of his personal recommendations for key federal energy posts. Lay pushed his
list of suggested members of the federal energy regulatory commission in the spring of 2001. Two of
the people he suggested - Pat Wood and Nora Brownell - were appointed by Bush to positions that
would directly affect the fate and fortunes of Enron.

Lay himself was on the short list of potential appointees for the position of Energy Secretary. The
CBS Enron tapes reveal one trader looking forward to a Bush win during the 2000 campaign. "It'd be
great," says one. "I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy." Another trader responded by saying,
"When this election comes, Bush will fucking whack this shit, man. He won't play this price-cap
bullshit."

The infamous secret energy policy meetings run by Vice President Dick Cheney, the substance of
which he still refuses to reveal, were riddled with Enron officials and Enron priorities. It has been
speculated that one of the reasons Cheney refuses to divulge the elements of those meetings is that
Enron was wielding the drafting pen as Bush's energy policy was created. It has also been speculated
that the secrecy surrounding these meetings is due to the fact that the not-yet-begun Iraq war, and the
resulting petroleum/pipeline profits to be reaped, played a large role in the discussions.

The beat goes on and on in this fashion, leading to an inescapable conclusion. Enron was certainly
among the most crooked, corrupt, twisted companies ever to hang a sign in the American
marketplace. Enron was, simultaneously, umbilically tied to George W. Bush and vast swaths of his
administration.

Now that Lay has been indicted, those Enron stockholders still experiencing the length, breadth and
depth of the shaft can hope for a measure of justice. For the rest of us, we citizens who have to live in
a country whose energy policy was essentially written by Lay and his pals, we citizens who have to
wonder if our current adventure in Iraq somehow plays a central role in that Enron-birthed policy, we
can perhaps hope that a thousand days is enough time to wait before we hear the truth about
Kenny-Boy and George.

CC



To: Orcastraiter who wrote (34209)7/8/2004 1:01:27 AM
From: Dan B.Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Wayne already wrote you a good reply, but I'll add that, as a friend pointed out to me, it is known that chemical and biological agents can exist in very small packages easily moved around, and we gave Saddam plenty of time to move the stuff. Add to this the fact that in combination with fertilizer, various forms of WMD's can be created. During our initial main push in Iraq, we discovered Tons of fertilizer...not where it might be expected...but instead seemingly needlessly well hidden. It truly is plausible that the media fails to put 2 & 2 together here. Last I knew those trailers remain controversial for a number of reasons. As I recall, certain Iraqi parties tried to run, i.e. drive of and escape with the things, when approached. But more, the weather balloon explanation given by those on your side simply isn't a reasonable explanation for their existence. Too complex, unnecessary, and expensive for the purpose.

But regardless of that, my bottom line is I've every reason to believe Saddam and his sentiments posed a real threat. As Bush said at the time of his State of the Union Address given in 2003, in so many words, to wait until an obvious threat is imminent, is to wait too long. I do find that compelling given the nature of those who want to kill us.

Dan B.