Brian, again you add to scripture and you do not believe all of scripture.
Alan - the second death is the lake of fire
from which there is no redemption.
There is no scripture which says "from which there is no redemption". You have simply added it here to fit your man made doctrine.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:6 "These which you are beholding-there will be coming days in which not a stone will be left here on a stone, which will not be demolished."
7 Now they inquire of Him, saying, "Teacher, when, then, will these things be, and what is the sign whenever these things may be about to be occurring?"
8 Now He said, "Beware that you may not be deceived, for many shall be coming in My name, saying that I am!' and 'The season is near!' You may not, then, be going after them.
9 Now whenever you should be hearing battles and turbulences you may not be dismayed, for these things must occur first, but not immediately is the consummation."
10 Then He said to them, "Roused shall be nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
11 Besides, there shall be great quakes and, in places, famines and pestilences. There shall be fearful sights besides great signs also from heaven.
12 Yet before all these things they shall be laying their hands on you and they shall be persecuting you, giving you up into the synagogues and jails, being led off to kings and governors on account of My name.
13 Yet it shall be eventuating to you for a testimony.
14 Ponder, then, in your hearts not to be premeditating a defense,
15 for I will be giving you a mouth and wisdom, which all those opposing you shall not be able to withstand or contradict.
16 Yet you shall be given up by parents also, and brothers and relatives and friends, and they shall be putting some of you to death.
17 And you shall be hated by all because of My name.
18 And a hair of your head should by no means be perishing.
19 By your endurance shall you be acquiring your souls.
20 "Now whenever you may be perceiving Jerusalem surrounded by encampments, then know that her desolation is near.
21 Then let those in Judea flee into the mountains, and let those in her midst be coming out into the country, and let not those in the country be entering into her,
22 for days of vengeance are these, to fulfill all that is written.
I have no doubt that the things written before verse 22 were fulfilled at the destruction of the second temple and the dispersing of the jews. The days of vengeance.
But to even suggest that this is the final state of God’s creation is asinine. Let’s look at sin and death. To imply that Christ has finished reversing the effects and the operations of both sin and death is simply wrong.
Hebrews 9:26: (KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26 (Concordant Literal) since then He must often be suffering from the disruption of the world, yet now, once, at the conclusion of the eons, for the repudiation of sin through His sacrifice, is He manifest.
His sacrifice came during those “days of vengeance” 2000 years ago. But sin will not be made an end to until the very end of the ages. Sin will be repudiated. In the Greek it is simply :no-placing.
From WB Screws circa 1935:
THE NO-PLACING OF SIN
"Yet now, once, has He been manifested through His sacrifice, for the repudiation of sin at the conclusion of the eons," (Heb. 9:26).
One has said an attempt to translate Greek into English is like trying to render on the piano, a piece of music that was composed for the violin. This is true of one word in the above text—ATHETESIN. The King James Version renders it "put away." The Concordant Version has "repudiation," which is, perhaps, as nearly correct as it can be rendered in one English word. It means NO-PLACING. But this would not be intelligible in our language, and might be mistaken for "remove," which is represented by another Greek word. Also it might be considered as synonymous with "a failure to place." This is far from correct. It means that through the sacrifice of Christ, there will be no place for sin at the conclusion of the eons. Sin is to be destroyed by destroying its place. It cannot exist when there is no place for it.
It certainly still exists today.
Same thing with death. DEATH IS TO BE ABOLISHED. At the end of the ages. Same as with sin. Surely Brian, you’re not going to tell me that death no longer exists. (This alone should tell you your pet doctrine you use to gauge the spiritual intellect of others is wrong).
Everyone does not go to heaven Alan.
Your understanding of the final state of God’s creation or “heaven” as you term it, is limited. You can’t grasp the fact that the ages are different than eternity. God has a plan of the ages or eons. It will culminate in the “consummation of the ages or eons”. After this, God will be All in all. For all eternity. Everyone does not have eonian life. Only the believers have eonian life. But the eons (or ages) will all end. Jesus Christ will reign for the last two ages. The millennial reign, and then the new heaven and the new earth. These are both separate ages. They are referred to in the Greek as “the aions of the aions. They are incorrectly referred to in the King James version as “forever and ever”. Forever and then some I guess.(Is God being redundant?) Jesus Christ will not reign “forever and ever”. He will only reign until He has defeated all enemies.(1 Corinthians 15:22-28) That happens to be the action(the abolition of death) that signals the end of the ages. Grasp this Brian, and then maybe you’ll be free to believe the entire bible. Instead of just the bits and pieces you now believe. You also won’t have to change the meanings of all the rest as you do now.
If you can’t understand anything else, get this: God is going to be All in all of us. God uses judgment, sin, death, atonement, sheep, goats, the lake of fire, gehenna, the elect, the knowledge of good and evil, and all the other things of this world as a part of the process to get Him and us to the “All in all” point.
And I do believe that your brother is a part of the second all in that statement. Even though he won’t be there “during the ages”, he will be there at the consummation. Christ did die for the whole world, and He will reconcile the entire creation to God, you just refuse to believe it.
Colossians1:20 and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I PRAY NOT FOR THE WORLD,
but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And what did the Father give the Son?
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL THINGS into His hand.
The "given" ones the "chosen" ones the "elect" ones Alan
Yes, you’re correct. But only until the end of the ages.
Then the death that holds the rest will be made inoperable by Jesus Christ.
Do you work for satan?
Ask him the next time you see him. :-) |
