To: alan w who wrote (37932 ) 7/10/2004 12:59:13 AM From: Berry Picker Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621 You are avoiding the verse I asked about and going to your familiar ground wherein you can continue to press a point that is not the point and avoids the obvious holes in your extra biblical theories that deny the truth. Jesus said they could not have saving faith BECAUSE they were not sheep. They did no good works because they were not saved unto them Men in their flesh never do good works Alan - in the flesh dwells no good thing. Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Only those who are born again sheep ordained to eternal life will ever do works worthy of note because those works are done through the spirit alone - not the flesh. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Men who claim to do good works of themselves in their flesh are of the flesh and not sheep - they are goats. Alan - you have become so hardened in your heresies - I doubt you can even hear what I just said. I tell you this - everything I just said is God's truth and it flies in the face of what you believe. Jesus already came in His Glory - Israel was judged. Those who crucified Him and that city were destroyed. The sheep were separated from the goats and the goats went into everlasting shame. Daniel 12:1 ¶ And at that time (67-70 AD - BV) shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; (the Jews - BV) and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:(see Matthew 24:21 - BV) and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (the elect only - BV ) 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. I can existentially appreciate your effort to 'convert' me but I am astounded at deeply rooted you are in your traditional teachings and how abstract you have made the word of God. Jesus said the goats could not "believe" if they cannot "believe" then the Father has not revealed the son to them... Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Faith without works is dead - works without faith are filthy rags. Faith is a gift given to the elect - the elect are the sheep. They have the son and life - those who do not have the son do not have life ... NOT NOW - NOT EVER Where did you go so wrong? Who taught you that the goats only lacked life for an age or two? Damn that man. Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.