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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (5432)	7/10/2004 4:13:09 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Very clever! I missed the boat on that one. Nice catch, Len! Tom

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (5432)	7/10/2004 7:44:03 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22250

"the army "has a legal duty to balance properly between security considerations and humanitarian ones." In other words, the national thieves and murderers have an obligation not to steal so much or murder so much that the crimes against the victims (the Palestinians) comes to the attention of the world community and causes Israel to loose their "SECURITY"--or occupation of Palestinian territories.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (5432)	7/12/2004 4:52:04 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: The court asserted that Israel has a genuine security reason for building the barrier and.... The court doesn't have a clue... Who said the wall is all about Israel's security?! It's a "demographic deterrent": haaretz.com Excerpt: That being said, it must be understood that the security rationale is not the primary rationale for the fence's necessity. Far more important is the demographic rationale, if I may use that phrase, which has already entered the politically incorrect lexicon. The security necessity for the fence will diminish (it's doubtful it will ever disappear entirely), if an agreement is reached with a Palestinian entity capable of imposing its will in the territories under its jurisdiction. But the demographic necessity for the fence will remain valid, and intensify over time. Nobody knows for certain what the demographic picture will look like in the Palestinian state if it is founded. Considering the tremendous natural population growth in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, it is fair to assume that its population will be more or less equivalent to the size of the Jewish population in Israel. If the return of refugees to the Palestinian state becomes possible, its population will be even larger. What will the living conditions and standard of living be in the Palestinian state? Constantly behind. Even if generous international aid is rushed there, the standard of living will only rise slowly because of the rapid natural population growth (the drop in natural population growth in developing countries is exceedingly slow). The result will be pressure on the limited resources and constant concern about ecological deterioration. Meanwhile, at a distance of a few kilometers, sometimes merely dozens of meters, from that backward Third World country, will be an industrialized Western welfare state that provides a high standard of living and whose citizens hold valuable assets. Such wealth will render incursions into Israel a ceaseless source of attraction. The agricultural robberies of the 1950s and car theft after 1967, and the invasion of 150,000 illegal residents since then, will be a mere preview of coming attractions for what can be expected as the gap widens between the standards of living in the Palestinian state and Israel in coming decades. If an effective fence does not divide the two, life in Israel won't be livable, and a quick process of abandonment will begin. Whoever claims there is no need for nor point to the fence has in fact come to terms with Israel committing suicide as a Western Jewish state, en route to establishing a binational Middle Eastern state. [...] _____________________________ The only gated community in the Middle East, indeed!