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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (7181)	7/11/2004 12:40:05 AM
From: Don Earl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet either, although I'll probably eventually get around to it, out of curiousity if nothing else. From the various reviews I've seen, I gather it doesn't really have much to do with 9/11, but rather focuses more on the war in Iraq. At a certain point, it becomes difficult to figure out who the players are, and what is their agenda. I find it difficult to imagine anyone seriously researching 9/11 without being exposed to a great deal of evidence that keeps coming up missing in the various documentaries. On the subject of liberals, conservatives and gun control, I have a hard time figuring out where the party lines lay. As things stand, the current definition of a conservative appears to be someone who supports abandoning the Constitution in favor of a slave state, and a liberal is someone who supports the Constitution, but only when it serves certain obscure causes. IMO, the lines have grown so fuzzy, it's a mystery to me how anyone could claim to be either without looking like a fruitcake. In the context the Second Amendment is written, it's virtually impossible to get a translation of "arms" as anything other than military grade weapons. Granted today's military grade weapons were the stuff of science fiction in the 1780s, but the purpose of the Second Amendment is quite clear the idea is civilians in possession of state of the art weapons are an asset in repelling enemies, both foreign and domestic. While I can't help but agree there is a large cross section of the population I'd rather not trust with shoulder fired rocket launchers, a literal translation of the document certainly includes private ownership of such arms. At the very least, the Second Amendment would authorize such weapons as the M16 for private ownership. It's the standard issue military rifle, which is what one would also expect to be in the hands of a civilian militia. While I realize many people don't share my views, I'd personally sleep much better knowing something like 60% of the adult male population in the US had an M16 tucked away in their closet. Iraq should serve as a prime example of armed citizens resisting foreign invaders. It's the difference between some chance and no chance. Or as Machiavelli said, "It's unreasonable to expect he who is armed to obey he who is unarmed.".

To: sea_urchin who wrote (7181)	7/12/2004 5:59:44 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20039

Re: ... 9/11 was plugged into the middle of a documentary intended to be based on Oklahoma City. Yes, I agree but he leaves one with no doubt all events were connected -- all part of the same policy. Indeed, the OKC bombing is related to 911 --could it be that the OKC bombing was a dress rehearsal of sorts? Clue: Misleading witnesses, authorities On the issue of a possible Mideast connection, FBI evidence logs show that when ARA members were arrested for a number of bank robberies in Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Iowa throughout the early 1990s, among the items found were books on how to speak Arabic. "Sometimes during robberies, these guys would use different languages to throw people off," Cash said, noting that the FBI found many different phraseology books for various languages in the possession of ARA members. "Sometimes they used Arabic." The FBI logs show the books, "Berlitz Turkish Phrase Book," and "Say It in Arabic," as found in the possession of ARA members. Also, Cash pointed out that the ARA members used various disguises during their robberies, including disguises that made them appear to look like they may have been from the Middle East. Other disguises, the FBI logs show, included masks of presidents such as Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton. The FBI logs also showed that ARA members possessed jackets and shirts with "FBI," "ATF" and "Police" written on them. And agents found a list of FBI field offices, including the Murrah Building location. [...] worldnetdaily.com Ring a bell? McVeigh and his terrorist pals ought to have left copies of the Quran behind them.... Anyway, it doesn't take a political pundit to figure out that it's much more convenient for US authorities to freak out US opinion with "ugly Arabs" instead of "ugly, homegrown terrorists". The choice is rather simple: a global war on Islamic terrorism abroad --and an Orwellian chase after Bogey Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda-- or a domestic war against white supremacists and ARA cells... and civil war!