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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (589555)	7/10/2004 5:36:29 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 769670

Let's face it, the Old Testament God seemingly possessed a lot of the worst characteristics of humanity. He doesn't seem worthy of worship to me. Fear yes, worship, no. The apparent animal-torturing sadism of the story of Job is particularly telling, but hardly an isolated case. Yet, this seems to be the God the apocalyptic evangelicals prefer!

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (589555)	7/10/2004 6:20:17 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

"Now we've learned from the Nuremberg War trials of Nazis that saying "i was just following orders" is not a defense of unspeakable acts." These are NOT comparable acts. They can be potrayed that way (which you are doing), but it is a dishonest comparison. You are comparing following orders from a human (a deranged on at that) to following a command from God. If you don't believe in God and think that these guys in the bibles are just nuts like Hitler, then you argument makes sense. You make an argument that makes sense to you (giving you reason to not believe) but then tie the moral implications that result from your beliefs to believers. Not very nice imo. "So wouldn't it have been a more moral story if Abraham had refused, telling God, "I will not murder my own defenseless son, not even for God because that would be wrong." And then have God say that Abraham having displayed such great moral courage and leadership was the perfect man from whose seed to build a great nation?" From a human perspective, yes it is a more moral story. Not having confronted God directly myself can't say how I would react for sure, but I'd need to be pretty dang sure it was God giving the orders. A person claiming to be God wouldn't cut it. In fact if I thought he was a danger, might just try to kill him. I don't think I have much sway at changing your opinions, nor am I anywhere near qualified to tell you how you should think about God and religion. But I do think you would be better off not personalizing what other's beleifs mean about their charactrer or morality. Like I said, you have lot's of logical reasons not to believe. But none good enough to disparage ohters who do believe base on your interpretations. Save that for the nuts like the terrorists that we are at war with that ACTUALLY do the things that you imply religious folks condone.