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To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (711)	7/11/2004 11:31:56 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1026

So "two lies" in Moore's film huh? Let's look at these supposed two "lies" closely: "The two examples prompting the most outrage so far involve a montage from before the March 2003 U.S. invasion that depicts Iraq as a gleaming, prosperous slice of heaven (*OKAY, SO THAT WAS A CHEAP SHOT BUT IT WASN'T A LIE AND IT DIDN'T STATE THAT IRAQ WAS A HAPPY PLACE, JUST SHOWED THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PICTURE AS BUSH'S PROPAGANDA OF AN OPRESSED HELLHOLE), and the bogus assertion that the Bush administration flew Osama bin Laden's relatives home to Saudi Arabia during the days after 9-11, when all other private aviation was grounded (THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, THE FLIGHTS OUT ARE TOTALLY TRUE AND NO ONE HAS DENIED THEM, IN FACT THEY WERE DISCUSSED NUMEROUS TIMES UNDER OATH ON THE VARIOUS COMMISSIONS. RICHARD CLARKE SAID UNDER OATH THAT THE WHITE HOUSE OR STATE ORDERED HIM TO LET THE FBI LET THE BIN LAUDENS AND TOP SAUDIS OUT ON 9-12/9/13 WHEN ALL OTHER FLIGHTS WERE GROUNDED. IT WAS APPARENTLY ARRANGED BY PRINE BANDAR AND BSUH BUT WHO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. NOT A SINGLE BIN LAUDEN OR ARAB WAS INTERROGATED, JUST PASSPORT CHECKS)

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (711)	7/12/2004 2:52:38 AM
From: DOUG H	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1026

Ann, The best way to think about MM's film is not to think in terms of singular facts. This date, that date, he said, she said. There may very well not be ONE SINGLE FACT out of place...that does not mean however, the film is honest. Think of it this way. How does a jury convict an innocent man? We know it happens but how? Well, the prosecutor takes individual facts that on their face may very well be true, this date, that date, he said, she said, etc...and weaves them in a way that they collectively create a FALSE IMPRESSION. Leaving facts out in a criminal case is a felony but NOT in moviemaking. Creating false impressions is what MM is all about. Not individual facts. The lie is not in individual facts but rather the underlying premises.