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To: brian1501 who wrote (194110)	7/12/2004 10:47:37 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577967

I guess your view is that the UN is in fact irrelevant then. If you don't back anything up, it's meaningless. The UN discussion is a lot more complex than the simplistic self serving slogans of the right. What I know is that the UN's inspection teams were very effective. Saddam was contained and neutralized. He was no danger to anyone and far from the mushroom cloud references frequently used by the administration. There are no WMDs in Iraq. None of these conclusions were drawn in the book. “Nice try. I don’t think this quite — it’s not something that Joe Public would understand or would gain a lot of confidence from.” GWB to Tenet during the slam dunk session. Did you watch Meet the Press this weekend? I suggest you get a transcript if you did not. Watch Tim Russert imply conclusions from the very same passages in Woodward's book. You accused me of having poor comprehension skills and here you go reading crucial passages and seemingly (or conveniently) missing the essence. Listen to me, it is a FACT that WMD production capabilities were found. You cannot be objective if you ignore facts. A republican senate commission and the 9/11 commission both disagree with you, overwhelmingly. It's not even a dispute anymore. Blair disagrees with you. David Kay disagrees with you. The mobile labs are discredited. Powell's assertion of the trucks out the back door of the alleged WMD depot was discredited. Every report of a shell, vat, container, all eagerly jumped on by bush and team ("we have found the weapons of mass distruction" he declared about the hydrogen trucks while in Poland) and all have turned out to be wrong. That alone is tremendous pressure on the CIA. Imagine the CIA folks who had to tell him that he was wrong in a statement made publicly by him, in a skeptical by then hostile Europe, before the intel community had even had a chance to investigate what had actually been found. There is no point in me asking you to prove your assertion with some credible evidence.... it all stacks up against your position. I guess the bottom line is I don't think we should back down in defending the country, and you do. Au contraire. The need to defend one's country is the first statement on which we agree. I just don't think we should commit our nation's sons to kill and be killed to fight windmills, as you seem to. Al