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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (590015)	7/12/2004 7:16:03 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 769670

If you look at my original post on this passage to Srex, you'll see i quoted the entire passage which makes you, i guess, a liar. Why are you rightests so dishonest? The fact is, it was here siliconinvestor.com that you reiterated the post, omitting the second statement and focusing only upon the original statement of command. If you wish to demonstrate the event fairly, you would be sure to state the command and what the Scriptures state resulted of it. The Scriptures are clear that Moses attacked "as God commanded," a statement that squarely militates against your view. But you did not focus upon this. Instead you added a completely fabricated notion that Moses was acting independently of God’s will, a thing the text just does not support. And secondly, this part shows Moses was thinking on his feet according to his understanding of God's will: 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. It shows no such thing. Moses was God’s prophet to Israel. God told Moses to assault the Midanites because they, including their women, were involved with Israel’s impurity at Peor (Numbers chap. 25). So it is just ridiculous of you to claim Moses acted independently of God’s will when God wished to destroy those responsible for the impurity in the first place. When God commanded Moses once again to take vengeance upon the Midianites (Num. 31), Moses did exactly that, not sparing those responsible for the crime. You are obviously trying to misread the Scriptures in order to perpetuate a lie against them. Moses made the call to execute the women and children prisoners, except for the little virgin girls whom they split up with the rest of the booty. Moses did no such thing. As prophet, he was executing the command of God to judge those responsible for harming Israel. The text just does not support this notion of yours that Moses was acting independently, especially when God was angry because of the impurity at Peor (chap. 25) and when the Midianite women themselves were responsible for it. (Num. 25:1-2). The thing is right in the text, right before you, but you cannot help but lie about it, so confirmed are you in spiritual ignorance. And this of course is what i referred to, and quoted. You quite obviously quoted it out of its context, as is commonly the case with the condemned. Numbers 25 is quite clear that these women were guilty, that what they did angered the Lord and that He judged both Israel and the Midianites. When he commanded Moses to exact His judgment against the Midianites, it would have been just plain stupid to do as you imply, leaving the very women who caused the problem untouched. It is clear when we read the entire text that Moses had to kill these women according to God Almighty. Must you lie to make your case? Just a defect of the right? Obviously not, but you must quite clearly lie to defend yours - and repeatedly. Not only do you believe he exists, you believe you've correctly divined his will. The will regarding Peor is quite clear to any mind opened to the text without the heathen bitterness you have demonstrated here. These are two leaps of faith you make at your own peril. I simply avail myself to God’s mercy and am trusting that He will direct my belief. You on the other hand, have here determined that He is wrong, that he ought not have done what He did. In fact you have determined He does not even exist. If God does not exist, a thing I know to be false, then I simply experience the same ultimate fate as you (and I live more fruitfully than you to boot, since God's way of life is plainly better than yours in my view). But if He does exist according to the Scriptures and in accord with the spirit that enables me to see Him, then your heathen arrogance will condemn you for judging Him. I cannot lose. You have lost already. Of course none of this is reason for you to believe. But to me it shows that your heathen life of child-murder, homosexuality and lies ain' got nothing on my life as a believer.