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To: Ilaine who wrote (140023)	7/12/2004 9:29:32 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Congress either loaded the gun or never took the loaded gun away. Bush pulled the trigger. Them's the facts no matter how hard you try to put a technical spin on it. But then you knew that.

To: Ilaine who wrote (140023)	7/12/2004 9:39:51 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Congress was told things by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice that were 100% absolutely false. What Congress was told went way beyond the "intelligence" Bush was receiving. I think the Democrats should have been far, far tougher on Bush el at that time than they were and should have voiced their concerns, even knowing they would be smeared as "unpatriotic". They should not have accepted his war hype as fact. Congress failed to do their job in that sense.

To: Ilaine who wrote (140023)	7/13/2004 9:51:25 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<<Congress declared war, as the Constitution requires.>>> When did this happen? I don't remember it. The last war I remember Congress declaring was against poverty. I don't think we are winning that one either. More seriously though, I think James Madison and crew envisioned not giving too much power to the Presidency. They stipulated that only Congress had the power to declare war. They didn't want to make it too easy for us to get into war. You can't blame Presidents for wanting the ability to go to war whenever they feel like we should go to war. This is not only a Bush problem, it is a problem with all Presidents. The people who designed the Constitution recognized the problem - Presidents have been able to get around the Constitution. The problem has been that Congress has not been doing it's job. They have not had the courage to fulfill their responsibilities. They will vote what is popular at the moment. They will assist Presidents to get around the Constitution so that they do not risk not getting re-elected. It's not easy to design a Constitution that is 100% fool proof.