To: Done, gone. who wrote (8399 ) 7/13/2004 11:31:36 AM From: Michelino Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21668 I absolutely agree that mastery of the traditional fundamentals is important in any art form: music, painting, poetry as well as photography in the new digital age. The "happy accident" school of photography produces nothing more artistic than a pretty Rorschach inkblot in my most humble opinion: (I have a buddy who experimented in college with photography. He put on a blindfold and then "wandered" into snapshots based on the sounds that interested him in the dark. Over the last twenty years, I've argued (over quite a few beers) with him that what he was doing back then was really performance art...and that it was best appreciated by an audience constrained to see only as well as the artist. In our most profound (-ly drunken) discussion, we battled over whether he was entitled to crop his images) That's why I have always appreciated the f64 group if only as starting point for being well trained in the fundamentals. Sort of like the renaissance masters in oil painting, or Praxiteles in sculpture. And if you haven't first been a slave to all the chemistry, how much can you really appreciate being free of it? Then again: if great art comes out of a digital photographer who has never heard of Pan-X or stop bath, I won't be that surprised! I would just expect that his or her vision of an image starts in the mind's eye and then remains stable all the way through the process. In that case, I'll be still willing to call it photography...which might be to say, by way of a long explanation, that I am in "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it." camp of photo art appreciation just like everybody else (including the Supreme Court judge who coined it about obscenity)