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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (590764)	7/14/2004 7:38:56 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Yeah right! 'Dead' things like rocks design nuclear bombs and space probes all the time.... (What a RUBE you are!) Tress do their things, rocks do theirs and dead humans do theirs - and none are demonstrably of greater worth than the other. All are dead. You held that scientists cannot believe in a God. You are ignorant, and lying. I hold that science is godless, which it most certainly is - that it is merely applied atheism. NO. You said they 'can't believe in God'. (You can't even keep your lies straight!) Your scientists cannot consistently believe in God and your applied atheism. If they do this, they are necessarily schizophrenic. That's the thing about DEMOCRACY that you seem to hate so much --- everyone has an equal vote. Well fine. But when you use your equal vote to force what is a patent distortion of identity, then Democracy ends and totalitarianism begins. It is self-evident that all men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with the unalienable right to life and freedom to self-actualize. To secure these rights, governments are established by the consent of the governed. But when government fails to do its job here, it is the right of the governed to either alter or abolish their government. You are using your vote to remove from me my right to self-actualize. You are instead forcing me to actualize identities that are foreign to humanity. I have no choice but to work against you however I can. You are the enemy of human freedom. If you hate this country so much --- go off somewhere and form your Theocratic wonderland for all I care. I don't hate anyone. I hate what you are doing. I will stick around and fight like hell until it is clear that you have won. Then I will leave you to enjoy your "victory." Er... I'm not 'taking your money', the GOVERNMENT is. And you are supporting laws that facilitate this inhuman theft. Sorry for you. Personally, I find value and meaning every day. hehe. This is obviously not objective, but completely subjective - i.e. religion - blind faith. You have no real value. You live in a self-inflicted blind faith-based illusion. NOT! (I am trying to reason with a bigoted mystic though... and perhaps that's a pointless effort.) You are not trying to reason at all. You are failing at reason. LIE. That was a DIRECT QUOTE [that I said God is beyond nature]. Whatever. The point here is that I never said you said that God actually existed beyond nature because, being a heathen, you do not believe He does. A false assumption and another lie. All along in this conversation I've maintained that science does not preclude a belief in the Super Natural. Science itself, the very method itself is godless. If that method is pursued as the arbiter of knowledge here in nature, then those who do so are neccessarily godless or schizophrenic. It is impossible to intergrate faith and your science. (It was YOU who falsely claimed all along that scientists could not believe in a God... now you change your tune all unaware.) I have changed nothing. I simply describe the truth and you continually get confused. LOL!!!!!! The 'vacuous statement' (the 'implication') was YOURS, fool. You can run, Buddy, but you cannot hide. Indeed, you can't even run. I quess not... apparently you are to rigidly and reflexively dishonest to ever admit to your mistakes or outright lies. You can't hide, Buddy. hehe. Steve understands that science is godless and that my definition of atheist is correct. Hehe. Even your own leftists understand this, which is not surprising since Steven is an atheist. hehehe.