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To: LindyBill who wrote (54481)	7/15/2004 9:32:37 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793914

You are surprised it slowed down after a 60% increase? Not at all. It would naturally slow down. My objection was 1)to characterizing the slower rate of increase as an explosion and 2) to attributing said alleged explosion to something that happened in 1990. That is simply wrong. Some might even call it a lie. <g> I look on allowing gay marriage as a symptom of the problem. Allowing it lowers the standards again. Bill, I take your point. You can argue the standards question effectively without resorting to misrepresented numbers. The folks who put out what you parroted were not honest. Everything we read that supports our beliefs is not necessarily accurate or logical or valid. Sometimes people exaggerate and even lie. Sometimes they're just stupid. This one was so obvious that I took the time to flesh it out.

To: LindyBill who wrote (54481)	7/15/2004 9:55:45 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 793914

I look on allowing gay marriage as a symptom of the problem. Allowing it lowers the standards again. Check the numbers, if you can find them, for kids in trouble with a father/no father present. I know the numbers are awful, and so do you. Anything that lowers the standards is bad for the kids. Actually, you could easily argue, and since we are back to a data free mode, why not, that allowing gay-lesbian marriage raises the standards because it puts two adults in place to raise children. And those children are given whatever social approval marriage provides. On the basis of that argument, these kids, at least, should be less likely to be in trouble. I'm not, I should hasten to add, giving you the "one parent families produce disastrous kids" argument because there are a great many variables which need to be controlled, not least of which is social resources, otherwise known as social class.