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To: LindyBill who wrote (54902)7/18/2004 1:13:34 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793882
 
Some interesting thoughts from Europundits blog:

CATALYSTS

By Nelson Ascher

The NYT’s Tom Friedman wrote many silly articles in the last three years. But once in a while he arrives at a synthesis or insight that is so good that it justifies reading his next silly op-eds. His best insight ever about 911 is the following: those attacks weren’t the outcome of intelligence failures, but rather of a failure of imagination.

This formulation, which could hardly be bettered, means that, more serious than, say, the CIA’s inability to penetrate Al Qaeda or other similar groups, has been the West’s inability to think like an Islamist. Not even the best intelligence could compensate for this problem. If you cannot get inside a suicidal terrorist’s mind, you won’t know what to do with the best information you can get.

Before 911 nobody thought that anybody was crazy enough to kill thousands of American civilians in the US. And the trouble is right here because when it comes to something as complex as our world, one cannot simply divide human beings between normal and crazy. Why? Because, to begin with, what looks like madness to us might be perfectly rational for someone else. And then because what we call madness is not homogeneous, but rather quite varied.

The worst failure was our inability to get inside the Islamists’ thought processes and, to be able to do so, one doesn’t need the CIA or the FBI: the monitoring of the web or of Friday sermons in mosques around the world would be more than enough. That’s where anyone who wanted to understand 911 should have turned to. But, instead of doing this, most people in the West have been searching for those root-causes, that is, an explanation that would make sense in our worldview, not theirs. There’s, of course, a lot of arrogance in this, since this is a way of saying that only our way of thinking makes sense, only our logic is natural.

One of the most terrifying aspects of 911 was the fact that it wasn’t claimed by any group. Whenever the Palestinians blow up an Israeli bus, there’s usually a real race between Hamas, Jihad, Tanzim and the others, each group claiming the attack for itself. Al Qaeda could have claimed 911 immediately. Why didn’t it do it?

I’d say this was so because of what the Muslim terrorists learned with Marshall McLuhan: that the medium is the message. The message transmitted on that day was a simple one: that’s what we do, that’s how we think, that’s who we are. Pay attention: we are serious. For me that was one of the clearest messages transmitted in all of our world’s history.

Now, what can explain the long silence after that message? Compared to the whole idea behind 911, we could hardly consider Bali or Madrid as new messages. What’s there behind this lack of new messages ever since? Is it a victory for the US or what? Obviously, for a new message to be really scary, it would at the very least have to be something on the scale of 911. Blowing up a couple of trains, airplanes, shopping malls in the US, tragic as any of these could be, would transmit a different message, one of weakness.

That’s where, a couple of months before a crucial presidential election, we need to invest our imagination. What is it that we are not able to think about?

I spent the summer of 89 in Hungary and Yugoslavia, but I couldn’t see the end of communism coming a few months later, nor the Yugoslav civil war which was already brewing in Belgrade and Pristina, in Zagreb and Lubliana. Though there was something strange and oppressive in the air, it wasn’t easy to interpret it.

The same applies to 911. There was something in that whole Durban affair that pointed to strange directions, but who could then guess what was it? In hindsight it is easy to see that what was taking place there made no sense in a worldview according to which we were in a new era of peace, freedom and rationality. The intensity of the hatred couldn’t be understood against a background where the main conflicts had either been solved or were to be solved soon. After all, the Cold War was over, most dictatorships were being replaced by democracies, there was no more Apartheid in South Africa and Rabin and Perez had shaken hands with Arafat in front of Clinton and the world.

It’s quite likely that Bin Laden and his men saw 911 as the beginning of a global war between the Muslim world and the US. But another war started on the same day: a civil war in the Western world. The days and months following those attacks have shown that the West was a radically divided house. It’s not just the case of a couple of Old European governments trying to obstruct America’s actions. With each passing day the division and hatred have been growing more and more inside the US. These division and hatred didn’t start out of nothing three years ago: it must have been festering for a long time. How comes most people couldn’t have seen it before? Why did we think the 90s were a peaceful time if actually we’ve been living inside a bomb?

This situation will take years and years to be really understood. There’s however one point I’m really curious about: did Bin Laden and the rest of the Islamists know how deeply the West was divided against itself and how much their actions would help it to get even more divided? Did they know about this fire and consciously poured more fuel on it? If not, have they understood their own success ever since? Because in any of these cases the most likely is that they must be working on making the gap in the West absolutely unbridgeable. They may have only a couple of matches left, but we’re sitting on a powder-keg.

After 911 many observers noted that what Islam, a civilization that couldn’t have invented the jet liners nor built high-rises, had done was to turn Western science and technology against their creators. What if, having reached the conclusion that they weren’t strong enough to destroy the West, the Islamists discovered that they could play the role of catalysts in the West’s self-destruction?

europundits.blogspot.com



To: LindyBill who wrote (54902)7/18/2004 2:46:21 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793882
 
LB, did you see this from the NYT??? Decoding the Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation on Iraq
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By ANDREW ROSENTHAL
EDITORIAL OBSERVER
THE NEW YORK TIMES
July 18, 2004

[KLP Note: This was posted by Scott on FADG...I had to restrain myself from not only commenting about this piece of work, as well as from highlighting the very obvious bias in the "piece".....For instance, don't you just love this sentence: What we need to know now is how the report came up so positive. or this one: both are pushing the absurd notion that the report told us that President Bush was not to blame for giving Americans false information about Iraq. Also note, this guy didn't even mention Joe Wilson.

Lordy, what do these people back in NYC do in their spare time besides work on how anti-American they can be???? ]

The Senate Intelligence Committee's report on American intelligence failures in Iraq has produced a rare and curious thing — agreement between left and right. For opposite reasons, both are pushing the absurd notion that the report told us that President Bush was not to blame for giving Americans false information about Iraq.

The left has denounced the report as a whitewash that unfairly clears Mr. Bush of charges that he or his aides prodded the Central Intelligence Agency into hyping the Iraqi weapons programs, and purposefully misrepresented the threat from Saddam Hussein. The right agrees with the conclusion, and calls it a vindication of the president.

In fact, the sadly incomplete report does nothing of the kind. It takes the public up to the question of Mr. Bush's involvement and then ducks, announcing that an examination of the president's role is due after the election. Thanks to that compromise, the Republicans did not block it, and Democrats could justify endorsing it as an unfinished work.

The 511-page report, which was released by the committee last week after about 20 percent was censored by the administration, does not tell us what the C.I.A. and other agencies told Mr. Bush before he concluded that Iraq had dangerous weapons and that Saddam Hussein had to go. It focuses on something called a "National Intelligence Estimate," which came out in October 2002, months and months after the administration had already set its face toward war. The estimate was requested by Congress, and it was supposed to summarize the views of the C.I.A., along with those of the Defense Department's intelligence experts and other agencies, like the State Department and Department of Energy, that might have important information to offer.

Three versions of the report on Iraq were prepared, all of them concluding that Saddam Hussein was a major threat. But the first, long, classified one was peppered with reservations. A declassified version that was given to Congress erased most of the doubts. The even shorter public version had no caveats at all.

What we need to know now is how the report came up so positive. The Senate committee said its staff "did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." Republican members in particular have repeatedly assured the public that no one reported any direct arm-twisting. But that is a lot less meaningful than it sounds.

The people helping to prepare the report worked for officials like Vice President Dick Cheney; Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld; George Tenet, the director of central intelligence; and to a lesser degree Secretary of State Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser. By the time they began working on the intelligence estimate, most of their bosses had already advised the president that Saddam Hussein needed to go, and some had also taken a public stand.

On Aug. 26, for instance, Mr. Cheney told the V.F.W. National Convention that Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and was working on a nuclear weapon. "Simply stated," he added, "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies and against us. And there is no doubt that his aggressive regional ambitions will lead him into future confrontations with his neighbors."

Simply stated, there was plenty of doubt about all of these things and most of them were not true. In fact, members of the intelligence community were voicing doubts at the time that Mr. Cheney spoke. We do not know for certain whether these dissenting voices were heard by Mr. Cheney or Mr. Bush. But certainly, Mr. Tenet, Mr. Rumsfeld, Mr. Powell and Ms. Rice had access to them.

So while the Senate report has told us that no government employee complained of direct pressure from the White House to give the intelligence estimate a positive spin, it has not told us how so much negative assessment got left out or how top Bush officials came to make public statements that contradicted information that was readily available within the administration. The Department of Energy categorically refuted the claim that the Iraqis were working on nuclear weapons in April 2001, 16 months before Mr. Cheney's V.F.W. speech, according to the Senate report. The C.I.A. knew it, the Defense Department knew it, the State Department knew it. But these dissenting views did not make it into the intelligence estimate.

So it's not exactly true, as Mr. Bush said on Wednesday, that "the United States Congress, including members of both political parties, looked at the same intelligence" that he had. And we have still not seen the intelligence reports Mr. Bush got. We do not even know what Mr. Bush was told about the intelligence estimate. The C.I.A. gave him his own, one-page summary, which the White House will not show to the Senate.

One of Mr. Bush's central charges against Saddam Hussein was his supposed link with Al Qaeda, which Mr. Bush still mentions even though the Senate report said there was no evidence of a link. On this point, the report said, the intelligence community's negative view was widely disseminated among top officials.

Mr. Cheney likes to refer to a meeting between the hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi official that supposedly took place in Prague in April 2001. But the C.I.A. does not believe it happened. In a memo recently released by Senator Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan, Mr. Tenet said the agency did not have "any credible information that the April 2001 meeting occurred."

In today's political climate, it took some courage for the Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Senator Pat Roberts, to do any investigating at all. But he was ultimately overwhelmed by the politics of Iraq.

The British report on the intelligence debacle, also released last week, made it plain that the push for war was political, not based on new urgency about a threat from Iraq. Even with fears justifiably heightened after the 9/11 attacks, it said, "there was no recent intelligence that would itself have given rise to a conclusion that Iraq was of more immediate concern than the activities of some other countries."

So how did the Bush administration wind up passing out so much disinformation? Americans are going to have to wait for the Senate's judgment on this crucial question until after the election.

nytimes.com.

Posted today by StockmanScott on FADG: Message 20321464