To: Orcastraiter who wrote (11755 ) 7/24/2004 4:36:40 PM From: Lazarus_Long Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947 Second, we have many more folks than 15% that are uninsured, so these data may be dated. As Selectric pointed out, either you or the US Census Bureau is lying. Who would toy suggest we pick? Cut the crap. Quit exaggerating and stick to the facts.First having trouble finding a doctor is completely different from those in the US that go without needed care. I see. SO you think in a health system controlled by doctors, you are going to get needed care without access to a doctor. What planet are you from?Second, we have many more folks than 15% that are uninsured, so these data may be dated. They do not define what "needed care" means. Nor do they say anything about the number of people that cannot find a doctor. Only trouble finding one. Links? Sources? You don't really think we will accept your claims with no verification, do you?But if you recall I mentioned that already in a previous post, that the brain drain was hurting Canada. It doesn't help to have the richest country in the world right next door. And I pointed out capitalism works better than socialism. The US Army isn't up in Canada forcing those doctors to move to the US. Or are you joining Ray's conspiracy cabal? Despite that the Canadians that I talk with are quite happy with their health care. There could be differences in the provinces. I speak mainly with folks from BC. And I provided links that contradicted that. A well designed system could easily cover all of our health needs, and cut costs. Prove it. You've been challenged before and still haven't.Why do the Canadians pay less for drugs? Because they have collective bargaining. Because their American neighbors get stuck with the development and approval costs, silly. Know what happens if NOBODY pays those costs? You get no new drugs.But at the same time you think that government spending on military is a good idea. There IS no practical alternative to a national military, silly.Mostly the low pay for teachers So tripling their salaries will suddenly make them 3X as good? Why don't they do 3X as good now and we'll pay them accordingly for that achievement? That's all related to breakdown in the families, a problem which is often exasperated by poor families struggling to make ends meet. AH! NOW we get to the crux of the matter! So if the gov't forces all people to be paid the same amount of money, everything will be wonderful, disease will disappear, we all be geniuses, blah, blah, blah.... As a former government employee I gave 200% of myself. Worked till 2 AM often to get the people's work done. Many in government work hard for less pay than in the private sector. I've got news for you: We in the private sector aren't exactly slacking either. And we don't have Civil Service regs and gov't worker unions to allow us to be lazy and incompetent and still keep our jobs. It's produce or die. The problem lies mainly in how the system is designed and managed. If you have a good system, well managed and staffed by competent people, it doesn't matter if it's private or public. Oh, but it does. See above.