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To: Ilaine who wrote (140930)7/19/2004 9:54:48 PM
From: GST  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
You cited Iraq's nuclear program as a reason to invade <"They both claimed that Saddam was working on WMD programs"> -- but there was no nuclear program.

As to your question: Did Bush use the word "imminent"? Not in anything I have seen or heard. But did Bush and his Administration claim that Iraq possessed WMDs and had WMD programs, both of which presented a threat the United States -- absolutely. You cannot expect anybody to take you seriously if you are going to try to make the case that Bush and his Administration did not try to make it seem as if Iraqi WMDs and Iraqi WMD programs posed a threat to the United States. Don't make yourself out to be a weaseling fool -- Bush et al did handstands trying to make the case that there was a threat to the United States so serious that only an invasion of Iraq could be relied upon to eliminate it -- and that case was dead wrong.



To: Ilaine who wrote (140930)7/19/2004 10:33:30 PM
From: Win Smith  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I was sort of waiting for this one, after the alleged "declaration of war" by Congress "proof". The "imminent threat" thing was beaten to death for months by the conservative "truth" squad; maybe W never used the two words together, but words are alleged to sometimes mean things.

Here's an old favorite list of mine, of various statements from W and friends, all about how nobody ever said anything like imminent threat:

• "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." -- Vice President Dick Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002.

• "Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons." -- President Bush, Sept. 12, 2002.

• "The Iraqi regime possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.

• "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that would be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using the UAVs for missions targeting the United States." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.

• "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his 'nuclear mujahideen' -- his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past."-- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.

• "We know for a fact there are weapons there." -- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, Jan. 9, 2003.

• "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of Sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." -- Bush, Jan. 28, 2003.

• "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003.

• "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." -- Bush, March 17, 2003.

• "Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly." -- Fleischer, March 21, 2003.

• "I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction." -- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board, March 23, 2003.

• "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003.

• "We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so." -- Bush, May 3, 2003.

• "I never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country." -- Rumsfeld, May 4, 2003.

• "U.S. officials never expected that we were going to open garages and find weapons of mass destruction." -- National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, May 12, 2003.

• "They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer." -- Rumsfeld, May 27, 2003.

• "We based our decisions on good, sound intelligence, and the -- our people are going to find out the truth. And the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind." -- Bush, July 17, 2003.
(from dfw.com )

Imminent threat? I see no imminent threat. We don't need no stinkin' imminent threat.

W wanted a war, and he got it. Truth is alleged to be the first casualty, in general.