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To: i-node who wrote (195062)7/19/2004 11:32:49 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572787
 
>>>>>>>Kids who are going to need to use computers to get ahead in their careers don't have to have them in school?

Sure. But there are not many, if any, schools that don't have computers. Some have one for each student while others don't. One of our local schools has spent $20,000 on a graphics software package that not one student has ever used, or had not when my son graduated. It was just sitting there. Which is the problem.


Yeah, there are a lot of schools that wished they had that problem. You make a lot of assumptions with limited input:

"The Digital Divide in 2000: A Fact Sheet

Compiled by Paul Gorski for the Multicultural Pavilion

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while only 39 percent of classrooms in schools with high concentrations of poverty (based on 71 percent student eligibility for free or reduced-price lunches) had Internet access in 1999, 74 percent of classrooms in schools with lower concentrations of poverty had Internet access by that time (NCES, 2000a)

between 1998 and 1999, while the percentage of classrooms with Internet access increased in schools with lower concentrations of poverty, this percentage did not increase in schools with higher concentrations (NCES, 2000a)

only 50 percent of schools with high concentrations of poverty used dedicated lines (which facilitate faster and more reliable connections) for Internet access, while 72 percent of schools with the lowest concentrations of poverty used them (NCES, 2000a)


by 2000, while only 22 percent of households with annual incomes of less than $15,000 had home computers, 86.3 percent of households with annual incomes of more than $75,000 had them (NCES, 2000a)

between 1994 and 1999, while students in schools with low concentrations of poverty were most likely to be assigned computer-related tasks focused on active learning, students in schools in which 71 percent or more of the student body was eligible for free or reduced-price school lunch were more likely to be assigned practice drills than any other computer-related task (NCES, 2000b)

edchange.org

I think we've discussed this before. Governments are remarkably inefficient at spending money. As a result, they spend 20 grand on software nobody can use. Typical.

And you never have heard of a corp. that's done the same thing?

Have you ever studied the concept of Diminishing Marginal Utility? The money that flows to schools beyond some point reaches a point of Diminishing Marginal Utility. Yes, all schools need to be funded to some reasonable level. Beyond that, it is wasted and doesn't contribute to the students' educations.

Which likely accounts for the "weak positive correlation" tejek mentioned.


I didn't mention it.......it was part of a study; the only one of 4 that reached that conclusion btw.



To: i-node who wrote (195062)7/20/2004 2:15:25 AM
From: SilentZ  Respond to of 1572787
 
>Sure. But there are not many, if any, schools that don't have computers. Some have one for each student while others don't. One of our local schools has spent $20,000 on a graphics software package that not one student has ever used, or had not when my son graduated. It was just sitting there. Which is the problem.

And my school didn't spend the money. In 1998, I was using very underpowered computers on a very underpowered network in high school, and I was worse off for it. Iccchhh...PowerMacs. POWERMACS! The humanity, Dave! Don't you get it??? The horror!

>I think we've discussed this before. Governments are remarkably inefficient at spending money. As a result, they spend 20 grand on software nobody can use. Typical.

Yes, and businesses are remarkably efficient all the time. No, they're not. I've been in the working world for seven years now, and I've learned that they ain't much better.

>Have you ever studied the concept of Diminishing Marginal Utility? The money that flows to schools beyond some point reaches a point of Diminishing Marginal Utility. Yes, all schools need to be funded to some reasonable level. Beyond that, it is wasted and doesn't contribute to the students' educations.

ECO 101. Sure. But you think we've really gotten to that point? It's not a matter of spending less, just spending smarter. Schools would do well to bring in management and efficiency consultants.

-Z