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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (51511)7/20/2004 4:00:36 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 89467
 
"...he who does not learn from history repeats it..."

That is the most self incriminating post I have ever seen. When you find your self in a rut, I suggest you stop digging... just a suggestion.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (51511)7/20/2004 4:37:24 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 89467
 
Norway bans ISLAM

KRISTIANSAND, NORWAY:
Right-wing politicians want to ban Islam
Carin Pettersson 19.07.04 12:00

Central members of Kristiansand Progress party claims Hitler’s «Mein Kampf» and the Koran are one of the same, and they want Islam banned in Norway.

Illustrasjonsfoto
(EPA/Scanpix)According to the Norwegian paper Dagbladet, central figures in Kristiansand Progress party (Frp) wants to ban Islam in Norway.

«We are not the only ones demanding this ban,» said Halvor Hulaas, chairperson in Krstiansand Frp to the paper. «This is an opinion that is well established in Scandinavian countries. We are now importing people with a religion that is practiced in the same way it was practiced when it was established in year 600. The freedom we have in Norway may be taken away from us if we do not start to have some demands to these immigrants.»

Karina Udnæs, deputy leader of the Progress party’s city council group in Kristiansand is pushing it even further.

«It is about high time Norway and Europe make the ideology Islam and the practice of this, illegal and punishable in the same way as Nazism,» Udnæs said. «The prophet Muhammad urged them to kill everyone infidel.»

«Udnæs’ comparison of Nazism and Islam is supported by many in Frp,» Hulaas said. «The religion as it is practiced is a threat against our social system and way of life.»

He said that Kristiansand now lives under the threat of getting a large mosque in town.

«Of course, we are aware of what these mosques are used for,» Hulaas said. We have to stop this religion.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (51511)7/20/2004 5:09:31 PM
From: J.B.C.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
>>..
you tend to build almost no argumentative bases or foundations all straw dogs, name calling, and personal invective<< Remind me, who's post was deleted from SI today?? Your the one who obfuscates. All potatoes, no meat...Where's the beef?

Bush in a no win situation with the liberals:

This one deserves a Pulitzer

nationalreview.com

Sometimes a political figure becomes so hated that he can't do anything right in the eyes of his enemies. President Bush has achieved this rare and exalted status. His critics are so blinded by animus that the internal consistency of their attacks on him no longer matters. For them, Bush is the double-bind president.




If he stumbles over his words, he is an embarrassing idiot. If he manages to cut taxes or wage a war against Saddam Hussein with bipartisan support, he is a manipulative genius.

If he hasn't been able to capture Osama bin Laden, he is endangering U.S. security. If he catches bin Laden, it is only a ploy to influence the elections.

If he ignores U.N. resolutions, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he takes U.N. resolutions on Iraq seriously, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he doesn't get France to agree to his Iraq policy, he is ignoring important international actors. If he supports multiparty talks on North Korea, he is not doing enough to ignore important international actors.

If he bombed Iraq, he should have bombed Saudi Arabia instead, and if he had bombed Saudi Arabia, he should have bombed Iran, and if he had bombed all three, he shouldn't have bombed anyone at all. If he imposes a U.S. occupation on Iraq, he is fomenting Iraqi resistance by making the United States seem an imperial power. If he ends the U.S. occupation, he is cutting and running.

If he warns of a terror attack, he is playing alarmist politics. If he doesn't warn of a terror attack, he is dangerously asleep at the switch. If he says we're safer, he's lying, and if he doesn't say we're safer, he's implicitly admitting that he has failed in his core duty as commander in chief.

If he adopts a doctrine of preemption, he is unacceptably remaking American national-security policy. If the United States suffers a terror attack on his watch, he should have preempted it. If he signs a far-reaching antiterror law, he is abridging civil liberties. If the United States suffers another terror attack on his watch, he should have had a more vigorous anti-terror law.

Bush's economy hasn't created new jobs. If it has created new jobs, they aren't well-paying jobs. If they are well-paying jobs, there is still income inequality in America.

If Bush opposes a prescription-drug benefit for the elderly, he's miserly. If he supports a prescription-drug benefit for the elderly, he's lining the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies. If he restrains government spending, he's heartless. If he supports government spending, he's bankrupting the nation and robbing from future generations.

If he opposes campaign-finance reform, he's a tool of corporate interests. If he signs campaign-finance reform, he's abridging the First Amendment rights of Michael Moore (whose ads for Fahrenheit 9/11 might run afoul of the law).

If he accuses John Kerry of flip-flopping, he is merely highlighting one of the Massachusetts senator's strengths — his nuance and thoughtfulness. If he flip-flops on nation-building or testifying before the 9/11 commission, he proves his own ill-intentions, cluelessness, or both.

If he doesn't admit a mistake, he is bullheaded and detached from reality. If he admits a mistake, he is damning his own governance in shocking fashion.

If he sticks with Dick Cheney, he is saddling himself with an unpopular vice president, giving Democrats who can't wait to run against Cheney a political advantage. If he drops Cheney, he is admitting that the Democratic attacks against his vice president have hit home, thus giving Democrats who have made those charges a political advantage.

If he loses in November, the voice of the American people has spoken a devastating verdict on his presidency. If he wins, he stole the election.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (51511)7/20/2004 5:14:09 PM
From: J.B.C.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Oh by the way I answered your deleted post:

>>you are a typical ****ing idiot with comments like that<<

Your typical responses to others doesn't phase me. I suppose next you'll tell me I'm clueless, that's always good when someone doesn't agree with you.

Voting multi tickets requires clearer thinking than you're showing.

>>YOU UNBELIEVABLY SMUG RIGHTEOUS ARROGANT A##H#L#S<< Capitalized for effect I assume?

>>...you accuse opponents to your view as being a puppet mindless partisan<<
Someone else just did that....oh yeah, it was you! ((and completely assure his mindless supporters))
Message 20326945

No meat again, just chest pounding.

>>you are an utter fool<<

AhhhhAll is right in the world again, in your mind.

Thanks
Jim