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To: Ish who wrote (141150)	7/21/2004 5:15:57 PM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<How do you rationalize our governments use of Agent Orange?>> Because it worked. Knocked the leaves off and was harmless to people. Tell that to the Vietnam Vets who were exposed to it. I think Nadine would refer to you as incorrigibly ignorant.

To: Ish who wrote (141150)	7/21/2004 5:24:13 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You say agent orange is "harmless" to people? <"Knocked the leaves off and was harmless to people"> Shame on you. ______________ .... an independent Canadian team, Hatfield Consultants, have studied the levels of dioxin that still exist in one area that was heavily sprayed and found disturbing results. Dioxins have found their way into the food chain Team member David Levi said: "We should not think of this as a historical problem. This is a present-day contamination issue. "The dioxins that are present are entering the food chain today, and also being taken up by the people living in the area today." The lasting legacy of the Agent Orange drop has even staggered some war veterans. Chuck Starey, of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, said: "Any sprays, poisons that are sprayed from the airplanes and helicopters you have to have some concerns about, but I never imagined it would be as devastating as apparently it has been over the years." Vietnamese scientists have been shocked by the Canadian team's findings. There is talk of evacuating contaminated areas - a quarter of a century after the spraying stopped. High dioxin levels were found in the blood of local children Dr Nguyen Viet Nhan, who has studied child health in areas where Agent Orange was used, is aware that dioxin is known to cause cancer and brain damage in children, but argues that it is also causing the large amount of deformities found in the sprayed areas. Dr Nguyen's pilot study compared the health of children in one area that had been sprayed with those in another that had not. Children in areas that had been sprayed were: More than three times as likely to have cleft palates More than three times as likely to be mentally retarded More than three times as likely to have extra fingers or toes Nearly eight times as likely to suffer hernias The Vietnamese government claims there are so many children born with problems caused by dioxin that they have had to set up a network of 11 special schools - so called 'peace villages' - across the country.> news.bbc.co.uk ______________

To: Ish who wrote (141150)	7/21/2004 5:32:43 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<The study, published in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, found 19 of 20 blood samples from people living in Bien Hoa City, near an air base used by the U.S. military for Agent Orange spraying missions during the war, contained high levels of dioxin, an ingredient in Agent Orange. In some cases, levels were up to 135 times as high as those found in people in Hanoi, where Agent Orange wasn't sprayed, the study found. Dioxin has been linked to cancer and reproductive developmental effects in humans. During the war, the U.S. military used Agent Orange to defoliate jungle, dropping approximately 18 million gallons over about 10 percent of southern Vietnam. More than 36 million people live in these areas today. cnn.com

To: Ish who wrote (141150)	7/22/2004 2:12:32 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Because it worked. Knocked the leaves off and was harmless to people. Ish, you better tell that to the U.S. government. There are a host of diseases that the Government recognizes as service connected as a result of Vietnam service era exposure to Agent Orange. Those include leukemia and some other forms of cancer. The veteran need only show that he was exposed and that he has the disease. Of course the government may not have read your conclusions or seen your empirical research.