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To: Neocon who wrote (594428)	7/23/2004 6:19:42 PM
From: Enam Luf	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Good post. One thing that bugs me, however, is that the unforeseen consequences of our meddling often come back to haunt us. Who is to say that the destabilization of the middle east will not foster the unification of the oil rich arabic world under an unfriendly regime such as exists in Iran (assuming the Saud family's day's are numbered). Then we'd really be screwed. I imagine such a scenario would be shortly followed by a major war, as unilateral domination of the world's oil supply would be considered too great a threat to our national security.

To: Neocon who wrote (594428)	7/23/2004 6:20:57 PM
From: Doren	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Yeah. That's what my girlfriend thought. Slowly she's waking up to the reality of who we deposed, Mossedeq, who we supported: Saddam, Taliban, Saudi's, who we are not helping moderate the violence Arafat, Shamir. She understands that our small population uses the vast majority of the worlds resources, mostly wastes them. That soon the huge populations of China and India will have societies that waste resources and soon we will have massive shortages. I don't have to tell her that thankfully. I'm still trying to educate others though. No one has ever been able to suppress terrorists. Think about it. Even Israel cannot. Despite the Billions we give that tiny country, despite their strong economy and long experience they are constantly bombed by some of the poorest people on the earth. Despite the fact that 3 Palestinians die for every Israeli. You are a fool if you think we can suppress the HUGE populations of Muslims world wide. But we can do what we did in Germany after WWII. Work for justice. It's just that that OIL has gotten in the way in the Middle East. GREED by our "LEADERS" read corporations. You are naive if you think we are going to win a terrorism war. All you have to do is look at Israel to see the kind of mess we are going to be in if we continue along this road.

To: Neocon who wrote (594428)	7/24/2004 6:47:13 AM
From: JDN	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

You post makes a lot of sense to me. I cant help but notice that Arab states with a modern leaning government, though not always a democracy, never seem to have the kind of problems, nor create for the world the kind of problems, a more backward leaning government has. ie if PEOPLES RIGHTS are respected in their nation it seems to work outside their nation also. Examples, Turkey, Jordan, Bahrain and probably others. On the other side of the equation you have Iran, former Afghanistan, Iraq under Saddam, Syria. In the middle you got Saudi Arabia. The ONE THREAD that seems to run through ALL the problems is this fanatical ISLAMIC religious leaders type. What is it about Islam that allows such fanatics such power over people? jdn