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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Andrew N. Cothran who wrote (595618)	7/26/2004 9:00:54 PM
From: Doren	Respond to of 769670

It's always amazing to me when people discribe whole groups of people as if they were monolithic: "[t]he Iraqi people are extraordinarily resilient and the American people should understand this." The Iraqi people are people. No better or worse than any other people. What do you thing they are some special race of people? How do you determine this? Genetically? Ask any geneticist worth his salt and you'll find out that is bunk. Then Zabaldo describes the courage and resilience of ONE soldier and his experience as if it describes everyone's experience in the entire theatre. This is the simplistic scenario that George "I have access" has sold to some Americans. Here's the truth: 1) there are three main competing groups. The Shi'ites, the Sunni's and the Kurds. Even among these groups there are subgroups. 2) Each group has it's own moderates and extremists. The extremists tend to rule. There are long established reasons for them to hate each other. It's possible that someday they will get over the hatred but I doubt we'll see it in our lifetime. 3) Each group has varying reasons to love or hate us in varying degrees. 4) If we allow elections the predominate group will win. The Shi'ites are the predominate group. Shi'ites rule Iran. There is no way we are going to let Shi'ites gain control of Iraq which arguably has larger oil reserves than even the Saudi's. 5) Shi'ites were persecuted by the Sunni Muslims and Saddam. Another reason we will not let them control Iraq. 6) There will be no real "Free" elections. The elections will be a scam of course. 7) Therefor we will have to have a "Puppet" ruler, which will piss off enough of the population enough that the bombings etc will never end. 8) if unemployment was at 50% in the US and jobs protecting Hilary Clinton were paying $6000 a month you'd see hoards of right wing republicans lining up with everyone else to grab one of these jobs. Even if they let loose the cyberkens of this world with kalishnakovs and plastic explosives. 9) We'd like to believe that the substantial majority of American soldiers have been kind, wise and good to the Iraqi people, but we really will never know what percentage. If your good buddie gets blown into several pieces of meat right in front of you and there is no one you can find to blame most people tend to become pissed off. Some take it out on people they don't understand. The complaint of soldiers here and in Vietnam is the same: "We come here to help them and they hate us." Really no different from Vietnam. We went there supposedly to help. Couldn't get our guy elected. Supported dictators for decades, lost a bunch of bewildered soldiers, pissed off enough Vietnamese that we could never win, and then left.