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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (141780)7/28/2004 4:28:45 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The real reasons Bush went to war
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WMD was the rationale for invading Iraq. But what was really driving the US were fears over oil and the future of the dollar

John Chapman
Wednesday July 28, 2004
The Guardian

There were only two credible reasons for invading Iraq: control over oil and preservation of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Yet the government has kept silent on these factors, instead treating us to the intriguing distractions of the Hutton and Butler reports.

Butler's overall finding of a "group think" failure was pure charity. Absurdities like the 45-minute claim were adopted by high-level officials and ministers because those concerned recognised the substantial reason for war - oil. WMD provided only the bureaucratic argument: the real reason was that Iraq was swimming in oil.

Some may still believe the eve-of-war contention by Donald Rumsfeld that "We won't take forces and go around the world and try to take other people's oil ... That's not how democracies operate." Maybe others will go along with Blair's post-war contention: "There is no way whatsoever, if oil were the issue, that it would not have been infinitely easier to cut a deal with Saddam."

But senior civil servants are not so naive. On the eve of the Butler report, I attended the 40th anniversary of the Mandarins cricket club. I was taken aside by a knighted civil servant to discuss my contention in a Guardian article earlier this year that Sir Humphrey was no longer independent. I had then attacked the deceits in the WMD report, and this impressive official and I discussed the geopolitical issues of Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and US unwillingness to build nuclear power stations and curb petrol consumption, rather than go to war.

Saddam controlled a country at the centre of the Gulf, a region with a quarter of world oil production in 2003, and containing more than 60% of the world's known reserves. With 115bn barrels of oil reserves, and perhaps as much again in the 90% of the country not yet explored, Iraq has capacity second only to Saudi Arabia. The US, in contrast, is the world's largest net importer of oil. Last year the US Department of Energy forecast that imports will cover 70% of domestic demand by 2025.

By invading Iraq, Bush has taken over the Iraqi oil fields, and persuaded the UN to lift production limits imposed after the Kuwait war. Production may rise to 3m barrels a day by year end, about double 2002 levels. More oil should bring down Opec-led prices, and if Iraqi oil production rose to 6m barrels a day, Bush could even attack the Opec oil-pricing cartel.

Control over Iraqi oil should improve security of supplies to the US, and possibly the UK, with the development and exploration contracts between Saddam and China, France, India, Indonesia and Russia being set aside in favour of US and possibly British companies. And a US military presence in Iraq is an insurance policy against any extremists in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Overseeing Iraqi oil supplies, and maybe soon supplies from other Gulf countries, would enable the US to use oil as power. In 1990, the then oil man, Dick Cheney, wrote that: "Whoever controls the flow of Persian Gulf oil has a stranglehold not only on our economy but also on the other countries of the world as well."

In the 70s, the US agreed with Saudi Arabia that Opec oil should be traded in dollars. American governments have since been able to print dollars to cover huge trading deficits, with the further benefit of those dollars being placed in the US money markets. In return, the US allowed the Opec countries to operate a production and pricing cartel.

Over the past 15 years, the overall US deficit with the rest of the world has risen to $2,700bn - an abuse of its privileged currency position. Although about 80% of foreign exchange and half of world trade is in dollars, the euro provides a realistic alternative. Euro countries also have a bigger share of world trade, and of trade with Opec countries, than the US.

In 1999, Iran mooted pricing its oil in euros, and in late 2000 Saddam made the switch for Iraqi oil. In early 2002 Bush placed Iran and Iraq in the axis of evil. If the other Opec countries had followed Saddam's move to euros, the consequences for Bush could have been huge. Worldwide switches out of the dollar, on top of the already huge deficit, would have led to a plummeting dollar, a runaway from US markets and dramatic upheavals in the US.

Bush had many reasons to invade Iraq, but why did Blair join him? He might have squared his conscience by looking at UK oil prospects. In 1968, when North Sea oil was in its infancy, as private secretary to the minister of power I wrote a report on oil policy, advocating changes like the setting up of a British national oil company (as was done). My proposals found little favour with the BP/Shell-supporting officials, but Richard Marsh, the then minister, pressed them and the petroleum division was expanded into an operations division and a planning division.

Sadly, when I was promoted out of private office the free-trading petroleum officials conspired to block my posting to the planning division, where I would surely have advocated a prudent exploitation of North Sea resources to reduce our dependence on the likes of Iraq. UK North Sea oil output peaked in 1999, and has since fallen by one-sixth. Exports now barely cover imports, and we shall shortly be a net oil importer. Supporting Bush might have been justified on geo-strategic grounds.

Oil and the dollar were the real reasons for the attack on Iraq, with WMD as the public reason now exposed as woefully inadequate. Should we now look at Bush and Blair as brilliant strategists whose actions will improve the security of our oil supplies, or as international conmen? Should we support them if they sweep into Iran and perhaps Saudi Arabia, or should there be a regime change in the UK and US instead?

If the latter, we should follow that up by adopting the pious aims of UN oversight of world oil exploitation within a world energy plan, and the replacement of the dollar with a new reserve currency based on a basket of national currencies.

· John Chapman is a former assistant secretary in the civil service, in which he served from 1963-96

johnharoldchapman@hotmail.com

guardian.co.uk



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (141780)7/28/2004 7:30:53 PM
From: Suma  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I worked with Veterans returning from Korea and heard the same stories of what we would call atrocities. They did not view them as such. It was more or less humiliating an enemy and getting them before they got us. The humiliation meant raping the women, and throwing them down wells, cutting off the beards of the old men ( it was a distinguishing thing to have a long beard I guess ) and killing anyone who got in their way.

It was apparent to me then as it is now that when men are in war they change and that as human beings when we see someone we love.. like killed...that we can become savage in our revenge.

Do we not all sit sometimes and try to place ourselves in situations as to what would we do... were the shoe on the other foot. Do we really know ourselves and how we would react under the stress of combat.

So indirectly, cyndwllr, we have seem the same things.



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (141780)7/28/2004 10:52:26 PM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
I saw plenty of guys with that attitude in Vietnam, and they did all the things Kerry said they did when he testified before the Senate committee in the 70s.

From 1962 on I served 11 years in combat and other high risk areas overseas.

Here is a little comment I made a while back.

"Vietnam Vets got shot at in combat, got spat on by American demonstrators when they came home, and got shit on by Kerry and the phony "Winter Soldiers".

Many used the GI bill to attend college. I did too using night school and the bootstrap program for active duty folks. I never told anyone in college that I was a nam vet much less that I was on active duty and a Special Forces Officer. I know many other SF Officers, NCOs, and other nam vets who say the same thing.

At parties when asked about nam, I always say I really enjoyed my time there. My wife heard me say that once and later told me I can't tell her friends that. That generated months of (probably) long overdue discussions about the nitty gritty of my job. The nam was not just about Patrols, Combat, Killing and Dying. For me it included all of that but it was also about building schools, getting supplies to clinics, feeding hungry kids, etc. Now my informed wife will tell you I enjoyed my time in Vietnam and she knows why.

The media still talks about destroying villages. They never told about the villages we built. The water supplies we provided with wells, cisterns and aquaducts. They don't know about my friend who at Nha Trang beach saw a group of Vietnamese drag an apparently dead young girl from the surf. We were manning a machine gun on top of the IDC bunker across from IFFV HQ at the time. He looked at me and asked if I want to help or should he. I told him go ahead, you spotted her. I got your back. He ran down the beach, swished the vomit out of her mouth and gave the girl mouth-to-mouth while I called for an ambulance. The girl was breathing on her own when the medics arrived.

There are so many wonderful nam stories that never got told. There are so many nam vets who hid their service after returning so as not incur a hassle from American civilians. Bastards like Kerry who abandoned his men and vessel in combat and then lied and lied and lied, and his phony wannabee lyingass non-vets stole the spotlight that these men deserved.

Kerry throws a tantrum whenever anyone mentions his service. I have seen him on tv demanding that nobody question his service stating angrily, "I will not stand for it." Yet Kerry has repeatedly and publicly impugned the service of every American who served in Vietnam. He wrongly accused all of us of the most hideous war crimes. And he did it over and over as President of V V A W and as the "Winter Soldier" spokesman before the US Congress. Kerry has never apologized for that. He has never admitted he was wrong. Nobody can discuss it with him because he will not stand for it. As a US Senator, he continues to abuse our servicemen by voting repeatedly against the very weapons, equipment and supplies that our troops are using to stay alive and win on today's battlefields.

John F Kerry has awakened the Vietnam Veteran community. But this time, he has the real Vets to contend with not the phonies in Detroit and we "are not going to stand for it." His own combat unit made a clear statement this week. Every American war Veteran will have to consider their statements about Kerry. Every Vietnam Veteran is now (finally) going to feel free to tell his personal story and it will not be about the torture, murder, and mutilation that Kerry falsely accused them of when he testified and lied before congress."



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (141780)7/29/2004 9:53:33 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Ret. General John Shalikashvili: "I stand with John Kerry"
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The following is a transcript of before Ret. General John Shalikashvili's Speech before the Democratic National Convention.

thewpbfchannel.com
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Thank you very much, General Kennedy. It is a great honor to stand here before you this evening and to experience first hand the enormous energy of "democracy in action." But I do not stand here as a political figure. Rather, I am here as an old soldier and a new Democrat. I am a new Democrat because I believe that John Kerry and John Edwards are the right choice for America's security -- and the right choice for America.

We live in a dangerous time. Terrorists have attacked us at home and they continue to strike around the world. And the greatest danger before us is that these terrorists will somehow get their hands on weapons of mass destruction. If that were not enough, some nations continue to threaten regional stability while pursuing their nuclear ambitions which threaten all of us. Throughout his campaign John Kerry has shown time and again that he understands these dangers and is fully prepared for the challenges ahead.

He knows that to be truly safe at home we must significantly strengthen the protection of our homeland and that we must not again allow ourselves to be distracted from the relentless pursuit of these terrorists. At this moment thousands upon thousands of our brave troops are deployed in Afghanistan and in Iraq in a protracted and bloody struggle. Still countless other soldiers remain deployed around the world upholding the cause of freedom and representing what is best about America.

John Kerry was the first to warn that these worldwide military deployments are dangerously overstretching our military and particularly our Army. That unless we appreciably increase the size of the Army and restructure it to give it new capabilities needed in the new war against terrorism, we are in real danger of returning to the days of a hollow Army.

And, John Kerry has made it crystal clear that no matter how strong we might be, success in the war on terror or in bringing peace and stability to Afghanistan and to Iraq will likely elude us unless we bring friends and allies to our side both for the fight and for the long, hard work of reconstruction. We must do this not because we need anyone's approval when we act to protect our security but because we are more effective when friends and allies stand by our side as together we share the burden and the risks. There is no doubt that capable allies and strong alliances are today more important to our security than ever before.

I am no stranger to war. Before I was 10 years old I had lived through the brutal occupation of Poland, the country of my birth, and the total destruction of my hometown during the 1944 Warsaw Uprising. Years later, like John Kerry and so many other young Americans, I participated in a very different kind of war in the rice paddies and jungles of Vietnam. And still later, when at the end of Desert Storm Saddam Hussein with unbelievable brutality turned against the Kurds, I was asked to lead an international operation to stop the dying and the misery and to return some 700,000 Kurds to what was left of their villages and their homes.

I know about the horror of war and thus join with others like John Kerry in believing that we must go to war only when all other efforts to resolve the threat to us have been exhausted. And only then, when going to war becomes absolutely necessary, then to go with full resolve and to use force decisively. But we should never go to war without a comprehensive plan for how to secure the peace once military victory has been won.

While I know the dark side of war I also know first-hand about the bright side of America. The America that from its earliest days has been a land of boundless opportunity and a beacon of hope and of liberty around the world. This is the America we cherish and defend and that is the America that John Kerry will lead. From my first days as a private in basic training, I have always been proud to be an American soldier. In my eyes there is no higher title. And for 39 years I had the great privilege to serve in the company of such heroes -- ordinary men and women whose selfless service and courage and love of country befit this extraordinary nation of ours.

In places like Kabul and Kandahar and Fallujah and Tikrit and a thousand others we can hardly pronounce they are writing their own page in the glorious history of American fighting men and women. They fought and bled and too many of them have died. And all they have ever asked in return was that we lead them well, train them for the tasks at hand, equip them properly and give them enough men and material so no matter what they will always have enough of both to get the job done and to protect themselves and their buddies. And the only other thing they ask is that when we send them into harm's way we take care of their families here back home. That is all.

And you and I we are so incredibly blessed that there are men and women such as these who are prepared to lay down their lives for our country. From here in Boston where the first patriots stood up for freedom I ask you as Americans as Democrats as modern day patriots I ask you to stand up for our troops and give them the rousing round of applause that they so richly deserve.

I stand before you this evening because I believe that no one will be more resolute in defending America nor in pursuing terrorists than John Kerry. And that no one will be more skilled in bringing allies back to our side but John Kerry cannot do it alone. You here tonight and all those you represent have to be equally committed to give your total support to John Kerry and John Edwards to keep our Armed Forces the strongest, the best led, the best trained, and the best equipped in the world.

I believe in John Kerry. As a young man he heeded his country's call to service when it needed him. He commanded in combat and did so with bravery and distinction. He knows from experience a commander's responsibility to his troops. He stands with our troops and with their families. And that is why I stand with John Kerry. I thank you all.