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To: michael97123 who wrote (57738)	8/3/2004 12:09:57 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793745

Not to worry. EVery one has triggers. I have two draftage sons and I accept that I am unable to respond objectively to that particular issue. I make no apologies. Right or wrong, I am a mother first, a patriot second. I read someone on a Kerry thread going on about how Michael Moore had really flummoxed O'Reilly during his interview by asking if he would send his child to Iraq. Well, that isn't quite how he worded it. I went and read the interview. He said, Would you SACRIFICE your child... Now any parent- I don't care what war, what cause-- is going to instinctively say no to that type of manipulative question. It has nothing to do with the righteousness of the cause or the war or the issue. Sacrifice implies death. Even Abraham had trouble with a direct request from God Himself to sacrifice his son. To say that really "got" O'Reilly was silly. O'Reilly was not silenced; he said he would willingly sacrifice himself. I understood his response as any parent would. Take me. Spare them. I don't care how righteous the cause. What is important is to realize, as you just did, when our emotions are interfering, influencing, maybe even distorting our views, and understand that we aren't always objective about certain things. Right now, Kerry is playing to that in a big way with his Nixonian "secret plan" to get out troops out "with honor". It's hard to step away from the hope of that promise, and ask for hardcore HOW and THENWHAT type answers and judge them with clear eyes. rambi@sittingonthisfenceisgettingpainful.com

To: michael97123 who wrote (57738)	8/3/2004 7:42:28 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793745

mike, most of us have kids and grandkids too. You were in NYC on 9-11. The rest of us were there, but not in person to feel the smoke and ashes, nor hear all the sirens and mayhem around you.... We were there as Americans. IMO, if we, as a Country, do not seriously consider the consequences of NOT dealing with terrorism now, then our children and grandchildren will be dealing with it....those that live. I really hadn't realized until recently, and after the Democratic Convention, how much I distrust Kerry, and the people he has surrounded himself with. No matter how his handlers tried to sanitize him, and distance him from some of the FAR FAR Left, it became even more apparent to me that try as they might, no amount of "makeovers" can change the basic fabric of a person. He has said such terrible things about the President, and those who have so ably done their best to deal with so many many terrible things, both here in the US, and around the world. Not a single good word to say from Kerry. Nor from Pelosi, nor Kennedy, nor Gore, nor Dean, nor Byrd, etc. The grand finale for me was this week when Terrrrreeeezzza and Kerry went to Wendy's to try to engage the Marines. Then tried to look to see what was on the menu (like they might be examining flies)....then deciding NOT to order, but go on down to the road to their MUCH fancier luncheon. They, who always talk about the "poor, downtrodden, working man" in such whiney, pat-em-on-the-head, but nonetheless, disdain, didn't even know what chili from Wendys' was. Kerry has only been to 11 of 48 sessions where there was a vote called. He is just simply not up to the job of being President. He can't even be a decent Senator.