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To: mishedlo who wrote (292379)	8/3/2004 12:06:30 PM
From: stevemunk	Respond to of 436258

they will be coming after John Scopes next.

To: mishedlo who wrote (292379)	8/3/2004 12:12:05 PM
From: Terry Maloney	Respond to of 436258

Rick Ackerman engages heinz on deflation ... worldmarket.blogspot.com

To: mishedlo who wrote (292379)	8/3/2004 12:30:18 PM
From: Lucretius	Respond to of 436258

scary sh*t -g-

To: mishedlo who wrote (292379)	8/3/2004 3:26:14 PM
From: Bucky Katt	Respond to of 436258

Yesterday was the 40th anniv. of the Gulf Of Tonkin 'incident'... Are we currently seeing just another page from the old 'must find a way to make war' playbook?? Network television was interrupted at 11:36 p.m. EDT so President Lyndon B. Johnson could tell the nation that U.S. warships in a place called the Gulf of Tonkin had been attacked by North Vietnamese PT boats. In response to what he described as "open aggression on the open seas," Johnson ordered U.S. airstrikes on North Vietnam. The airstrikes opened the door to a war that would kill 1 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans and divide the nation along class and generational lines. Over the years, debate has swirled around whether U.S. ships actually were attacked that night, or whether, as some skeptics suggest, the Johnson administration staged or provoked an event to get congressional authority to act against North Vietnam. Recently released tapes of White House phone conversations indicate the attack probably never happened. The tapes, released by the LBJ Library at the University of Texas at Austin, include 51 phone conversations from Aug. 4 and 5, 1964, when the Tonkin Gulf incident occurred. Two days earlier, on Aug. 2, North Vietnamese forces in Russian-made "swatow" gunboats had attacked the USS Maddox, a destroyer conducting reconnaissance in the gulf. But from the get-go, many have doubted anything really happened to the Maddox and a sister ship, the USS C. Turner Joy on Aug. 4. Even LBJ seemed skeptical, saying in 1965: "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." The released tapes neither prove nor disprove what may have happened that night, but they do indicate jittery sailors in a tense area thought they were under attack. "Under attack by three PT boats. Torpedoes in the water. Engaging the enemy with my main battery," the Maddox radioed. Indeed, the destroyers fired 249 5-inch shells, 123 3-inch shells and four or five depth charges, according to Navy records. Many of the taped conversations from that night are between Defense Secretary Robert McNamara - who was trying to verify something actually happened so he could brief LBJ for his TV bulletin - and Adm. U.S. Grant "Oley" Sharp, commander of the U.S. Navy's Pacific Fleet. On Monday, Aug. 3, 1964, the day after the first Tonkin Gulf incident where the USS Maddox actually was attacked, Johnson, according to White House tape recordings, said: "There have been some covert operations in that (Tonkin Gulf) area that we have been carrying on - blowing up some bridges and things of that kind, roads and so forth. So I imagine (the North Vietnamese) wanted to put a stop to it." __________ PPT should make a showing soon....'PLUNGE PROTECTION TEAM' If you think the PPT is a non-entity, better read this> Message 20305567 Executive Order #12631 - Working Group on Financial Markets