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To: Cooters who wrote (135119)8/5/2004 10:27:46 AM
From: Jim Mullens  Respond to of 152472
 
Cooters, Re: “The new holy war is in the 802.20 committee, Intel is more or less saying they don't think anything will even come out of it. To recap, QCOM and other 3G suppliers are up against the newcomers like Flarion. “

It appears that Intel (and others) are perhaps attempting to pressure the various IP interests (Navini, ArrayComm and Flarion) to lower their demands. I recall last year at the Gilder Telecosm Intel was highly promoting “mobile WiMAX” as a strong competitor / slayer of 3G (CDMA/ WCDMA). Dr. Paul and Paul Otellini (Intel- COO) had a very heated exchange on this issue.

It’s my understanding that WiMax (802.16e) has a mobility feature, however I’m not quite sure exactly what the specs of that are, and when and if they’ll be realized.

Some conflicting interpretations of “mobile WiMAX” from other articles-

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1- Not everyone is buying that argument, though. "The bottom line is they're very similar," said Ed Rerisi, director of research at Allied Business Intelligence (ABI). "They do have some minor differences, but they both are aimed to serve similar users."

Essentially, 802.16e is looking at the mobile user walking around with a PDA or laptop, while 802.20 will address high-speed mobility issues, he said. One key difference will be the manner in which the two are deployed. "Our assumption is that the carriers are going to deploy .16e in their existing [.16a] footprint as opposed to deploying a more widespread footprint, like a cellular network, for example," said Rerisi. "802.20 is looking at more ubiquitous coverage ... and that will require a larger footprint."

2. The 802.16e project authorization request specifies only that it will "support subscriber stations moving at vehicular speeds"; Kiernan said the group has achieved speeds of 120 to 150 kilometers per hour (75 to 93 miles per hour) in simulations.



To: Cooters who wrote (135119)8/5/2004 10:53:13 AM
From: Eric L  Respond to of 152472
 
The Holy Circus

Cooters,

<< The new holy war is in the 802.20 committee >>

I call it a holy circus ... <g>

Although I haven't checked in on that battlefield/arena recently which makes me wonder where Cool Hand Rov V. has been hiding lately.

I have enough time trying to keep track of what's happening in the 3GPPs, so I don't take much time to follow the IEEE's standards developments.

If anyone follows "The *NEW* Frank Coluccio Technology Forum" or "Last Mile Technologies" here on SI, there are probably some good links on this subject but I'm 500 or so posts behind on the former, and some number on the latter.

I've probably mentioned before that Motorola, who is or has been an active participant in 802.20 has seemed to take its not insignificant OFDM act over to 802.16, and appears to be focusing its efforts there.

I'll try to provide some slide references from Motorola's recent Analysts Day on this for those that don't wish to sit through a dozen hours of a webcast.

Slacker may wish to comment.

Best,

- Eric -