To: ThirdEye who wrote (10197 ) 8/5/2004 2:57:05 PM From: mishedlo Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555 More from Heinz Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 12:33 trotsky (pm stocks and the Dow) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved more often than not, pm stocks correlate POSITIVELY with the broader stock market, especially in short term time frames. but there have been several noteworthy historical exceptions to the rule in medium and longer term time frames. e.g. the 1930's for one. but more recently, two significant periods of non-correlation occurred in the '97 to '00 bear market for pm stocks that coincided with the stock market bubble blow-off, and the pm stock rally off the late '00 low that coincided with the demise of the bubble. the circumstance in which another medium term decoupling could occur is a weakening of the US economy. that would remove the interest rate related bid from the US dollar, and lead to a steepening of the yield curve, both positive for pm stocks. however, it's a good bet that the broader market would suffer from heightened recession fears. there are numerous signs that a consumer-led recession ( as opposed to the business-led one of '01/'02 ) is in the offing. it would be worse in terms of macro-economic data than the business recession, since it would take down the housing finance bubble. like i said before, although the market has ( via the FF futures ) built in a 'normal' Fed tightening cycle, i don't think such a normal cycle will occur. whatever they manage to push through rate hike-wise before the economic downturn becomes obvious will very likely be retraced very quickly in its entirety. Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 12:17 trotsky (humble) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved i was referring only to the gold sector - not the broader stock market. i'm aware that the mutual fund cash to assets ratio is close to an all time low, and what's more, bullish sentiment is quite rampant. still, if you look at the three peaks the SnP and Dow have made this year, it seems possible to me that they will also build the 'domed house' before the slide begins in earnest. doesn't have to happen, but it's a possibility worth considering. Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 12:11 trotsky (bookmark) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved the short version is, i'm watching the tape for signs of whether big traders are accumulating or distributing. this is not in any way related to price movements on a given day, which is why it's different from traditional formulaic approaches. for instance, a 20,000 share bid that gets filled via lots of odd lot selling counts as positive for me, but would be registered as negative using the standard formulas. Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 11:40 trotsky (the conservative case against Bush) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved it's ironclad - whatever he is, he's NOT a conservative. well worth the read ( regardless of whether you do or do not support him ) . note to the gang of densies: it's NOT an endorsement of Kerry. this is simply an anlysis of the CiC's conservative credentials, or rather, the lack of same. nypress.com Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 11:33 trotsky (pm stocks) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved in spite of the non-commital trading range of recent months, the likelihood of a bullish resolution is rising. assets in the Rydex pm fund for instance have declined by more than two thirds...there are no 'weak hands' left. at the same time, gold and silver futures CoTs have vastly improved. also noteworthy, of the past three weeks+ worth of trading, i have jotted down 15 of 17 trading days as having experienced net bullish money money flows ( as i measure them ) . all of this doesn't guarantee anything - but it's an indication that the downside risk has become quite small compared to the upside potential.