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To: Neocon who wrote (142596)	8/5/2004 2:19:48 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

One result of the recent conflicts and military spending is a great improvement in the VA facilities. I had to visit the Fort Worth VA outpatient facility today for routine inspection. All is much better organized, better paper processing, no wait for medicine pick up( they ship it). Despite being 1/2 hr late due to minor car problem, instead of getting chewed out I was second in line. They will be moving the psychiatric ward to a new building shortly. Altogether, IMO, a much greater respect for veterans of all ages, and inspired work by the employees. One thing that can not be disputed is the bravery and dedication of those who fight and stay in Iraq. The debate revolves around right or wrong, and whether the end is worth the cost. Politicians are fair game, but there should be a penalty to pay by those disparage and discourage our troops. Sig

To: Neocon who wrote (142596)	8/5/2004 2:42:17 PM
From: spiral3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I do not know what points you think you are making. Square with what? It is simply true that we limit experimentation on human beings. The third leading cause of death in the US is Iatrogenic. Induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary dictionary.reference.com experimentation n 1: the testing of an idea; "it was an experiment in living"; "not all experimentation is done in laboratories" [syn: experiment] 2: the act of conducting a controlled test or investigation [syn: experiment] Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University dictionary.reference.com You may want to re-examine your assumptions, wrt the facts on the ground. Deaths, resulting directly from the system ie - systemic problem. If you are going to call this science, then in too many cases I am going to have to call it an experiment. Just because someone is getting a treatment doesn't mean that the care givers know what they are doing or that it is solid science. Will agree to disagree at this point. drugintel.com Your comment about Descartes doesn't make much sense to me. Since we were talking of Reality, how do you propose that Descartes would have pointed to his pineal gland. Due to the context of the enquiry, pointing to one from a cadaver wouldn't cut it. He would not have survived any procedure to remove part or all of it in those days, and dead bodies don't point to things. If by some miracle he did survive, how could he do so without this thing he called "I". Today modern science will chop it if tumorous, so I assert he was wrong on this point.