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To: Dr. Id who wrote (142658)	8/6/2004 12:35:18 AM
From: spiral3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Will they give you the same internet access in the new building? WARNING - Tibetan Bhuddist Concept of Mind. I thought that since you might be thinking about going off to find the nearest tree and hugging it, we might address this issue from a slightly different perspective, I do not think that this will stop you fom diving into the Ganges if you feel that you have to, but perhaps it will help you to otherwise restrain yourself. But anyway I digress. For anyone who’s been following this, and for those finding it all a bit too devotional, gather your garlands and listen to this man. If you think you can take it now, if not forget about it. I am not assuming how you are feeling, but I have to give you this Warning. This warning is for everybody. This is a Warning. This material might not be suitable for All ages. Please be sensible and use your own discretion. Intellectually, it’s a more clear exposition. These are not my questions or my answers. Believe it or not. Tibetan Bhuddist teachings speak of death as a passage, a journey. But what is the essence – the word “Soul” for example – which makes this passage ? how might we define it. The old man, very old.: “That is a difficult question because it is not easy to define to define the Buddhist concept of “I” completely, using English terminology. But the force which goes into and through the passage of death is the discriminating force of the substance we call mind. This is the force which perceives, the force which discriminates between what is good and bad, between happiness and suffering. But the basic definition in Tibetan Buddhism for “mind” revolves around an understanding of what we call “clear nature,” and there is an analogy I can give which might help you understand this. The clear nature is like a clear sheet of glass, without any color. So then, the glass may be put on top of another substance and whatever the color of that substance may be, the clear nature will pick it up. If it’s a blue substance then looking through the clear glass you will see blue. So the clear nature is the force which perceives the different aspect of objects, it understands everything and makes discriminations. This is what we define as the mind.” Does this clear nature have a particular kind of energy which is organized in a certain way which is common to every being, or does each clear nature have an individual characterization? Do you have one that is different from mine, or are all our clear natures the same? Old Man: “In one sense the clear natures of all of us are the same, but what is different and distinct about them is the potential force that each of them possesses. The potential forces are in Bhuddist terms, karma, the accumulation of action. Action is committed and then leaves an impression on this clear nature as a perception. And this is the force which gives us a form into the next existence, the future.” Could you say that the clear force, like the DNA molecule, has a code, has a plan already in it which can be transmitted? Or would you say that it is neutral ? Old Man: “The basic nature is neutral, but then it picks up potential! “ To cast the question in a different light, I wonder if you could say that there is a primordial sort of beginning, a clear state which takes on these perceptions, these karmic impressions? If this were so, could you then say that the process of enlightenment is a return to an original state, or is it an advance to a state that couldn’t exist if you had not gone through this development.? The old codger: “In your question there is a slight misunderstanding about what is meant by the clear nature. There is no “beginning” which can be likened to a clear aspect of mind. I am not saying that the mind can be all pure, only that there is a part of it that can perceive everything clearly, in a clear nature. So in this lifetime we did not start out with a pure mind and then lose it. In Bhuddist concept, there is no beginning, everything is beginningless.And through this beginningless current we believe that we have had innumerable previous lives, and that the stream of mind now is the same thing which was many, many years before. And since this stream has had so many of the different forces of life go through it, it has picked up a great many delusions. Then the goal of enlightenment is this: we try to get rid of all the bad impressions in the karma we have picked up along the passage of the many deaths we have experienced.” But if there were good impressions, one would try very hard to retain them. The scientist: “Yes, you try to retain good impressions. When these good impressions are activated they get rid of the bad impressions, the bad karma: delusions.” Big Shout Out to Nechung Rinpoche. Please don’t ask me any questions. I already told you what I know. This is the greatest biofeedback machine I’ve ever experienced. Over and out.

To: Dr. Id who wrote (142658)	8/6/2004 3:18:43 AM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<It must be a good program if they provide computers for the patients. Will they give you the same internet access in the new building? >> Yes, they all have access to the WEB, its only the worst cases that are confined to SI discussions only.Many pretend to be doctors or lawyers.(G) Sig