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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 12:25:46 AM
From: Karin	Respond to of 90947

Could they possibly be that stupid again?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 12:55:34 AM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Nader should be on the ballot everywhere. It's good for democracy. It's INCLUSIVE, like the demorats like to preach, when it serves their purpose. It's PRO CHOICE, like the demorats like to preach, when it serves their purpose.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 1:20:21 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

that dems don't want Nader on the ballot. Of course not. The Democratic Party is democratic in name only. At the '68 convention they had Mayor Daley turn his goons loose on the people outside the convention. They have no qualms about how they win. Heavy graveyard vote that year too. Their only bitch now is that the other party finally took the gloves off and is playing by their rules. Wanna rumble? We'll give you a rumble. And then forget to call 911 to take the carcass away. Shut up and win the election honestly or lose. The most defining trait of a Democrat is whining. You haven't stopped since you've been on this site. Well, buddy, it's almost put or shut time. See you in November. In the meantime, go play on the freeway. I don't care how they win as long as they shut you, AS, and Kerry up.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 1:43:31 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

From one of your favorite leftwing rags. European even. Worried Democrats work hard to keep Nader off the ballot Gary Younge in New York Tuesday June 1, 2004 The Guardian Democratic party activists and officials are campaigning to stop the independent candidate Ralph Nader's name appearing on the ballot, because they believe it could threaten their effort to defeat George Bush. They are using every possible legal means to deny voters the chance of voting for Mr Nader, including advising Democrats not to sign his petitions to get on the ballot, challenging the signatures he does get, and showing ads attacking his candidacy. Mr Nader is running as an anti-war and anti-corporate candidate. A recent email from a Texas Democratic party official to members, obtained by the Guardian, was headed Keep Nader off the Texas Ballot and continued: "We need to make sure he is nowhere near a ballot in Texas." Other pressure groups attacking Mr Nader have grown out of the primary campaigns supporting Wesley Clark and Howard Dean. Michael Frisby, communications director of the Stop Nader Campaign, said: "The point is not just to keep him from getting on the ballot but to make him spend money and time in all of these places so he has less money and time to spend getting votes." The rules for what is required to get on the presidential ballot vary from state to state. In most of them established parties which obtain a certain proportion of the popular vote are included automatically but independents must submit a petition with a certain number of signatures. Five months before the election Mr Nader's name is not yet on the ballot in any states. A representative of his campaign said the opposition's strategy was misguided, futile and undemocratic. "They're playing a game of expecting us to drop out and that's just not going to happen," Kevin Zees said. "They should be working at getting out there and being competitive." Mr Frisby said his aim was to convince Nader supporters that the issues they held most dear were those most under threat from a Bush victory. With the country evenly split between Mr Bush and his Democratic challenger, John Kerry, Mr Nader's candidacy could prove crucial. Opinion polls in at least half a dozen swing states show that Mr Kerry would beat Mr Bush in a two-horse race but lose if Mr Nader was on the ballot. "If this race is as close as I expect it to be, Nader could get a half, or a third or a fifth of the vote he got last time and be decisive again," Charles Cook, a political analyst in Washington, told the Los Angeles Times. Before meeting Mr Nader recently Mr Kerry said he would never ask another candidate to abandon an election bid, but hoped to "reduce any rationale" for Mr Nader's candidacy. "In the end I hope I can make people aware that a vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for George Bush," he said. "A vote for John Kerry is a vote for the principles and values they care about." After the meeting Mr Nader said: "He's a gentleman and he understands we all have to do what we have to do, as he put it." There is no evidence that Mr Kerry's campaign is directly involved in these efforts, but senior Democrats in Congress and in his campaign privately concede that they are in favour of keeping him off the ballot. Advertiser links Volunteer Internationally Experience a country from a whole new perspective by signing... crossculturalsolutions.org Volunteer in 24 Countries Worldwide Volunteer travel and TEFL training. Projects in... hypertracker.com Learning Leaders New York school volunteer program helps students learn.... learningleaders.org "We want all the votes for John Kerry we can get," Mr Levigne said. "A vote for Ralph Nader is like a vote for George Bush so it really doesn't make any sense for us to have him on the ballot." Mr Nader's supporters and the Democratic party have clashed repeatedly since the 2000 election, which many Democrats accuse Mr Nader of handing to George Bush. In New Hampshire and Florida, where Mr Bush won by narrow margins, Mr Nader won a substantial number of votes. Mr Nader's supporters say the polls showed that two thirds of those who voted for him would otherwise not have voted and 10 times as many registered Democrats voted for Mr Bush as voted for Mr Nader. But Mr Bush's record, particularly with the war on Iraq, and Mr Nader's failure to make an impact on the anti-war movement have persuaded a number of former Nader voters, including the film-maker Michael Moore, to back Mr Kerry this year. In Oregon, where the Democratic candidate Al Gore narrowly won in 2000 and Mr Nader received 4 per cent of the votes, the Stop Nader Campaign recently ran ads asking: "Ralph, what's more important, your nation or your ego? Don't do this again." Another anti-Nader group, the National Progress Fund, has been running ads in Wisconsin and New Mexico, where Mr Gore won narrowly and Mr Nader took 4 per cent and 5 per cent respectively. "Four years ago I supported Ralph Nader because he stood for the issues I believe in," said Bob Schick, a Maryland school teacher. "I feel I made a mistake. By supporting Ralph Nader I actually helped George Bush." Mr Nader believes that the Democratic party is trying "to block an effort that reminds them of their past as a party". "Why don't the Democrats go after the 8 million Democrats who voted for George Bush in 2000?" he said recently. "Thirty-five per cent of union members voted for George Bush in 2000." So far by a mixture of poor organisation and a late start Mr Nader has done a fairly good job of keeping himself off the ballot. In Oregon, where a nominating convention of 1,000 voters would have sufficed to put him in contention, only 741 people showed up. In Texas he missed the deadline and is now suing the state, claiming that its requirements are unconstitutional. The Stop Nader Campaign will be sending lawyers to oppose him. His other best chance is to be endorsed by parties which are already on the ballot in certain states where they are particularly strong. He was recently endorsed by the Reform party, set up by the millionaire Ross Perot, which could put him on the ballot in seven states, including the battlegrounds of Florida and Michigan. Delegates to the Green party conference this month will decide whether to endorse him again - it was with their support that he ran in 2000. If they do he could be on the ballot in the swing state of Wisconsin as well as California. guardian.co.uk

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 1:48:18 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Democrats try to keep Nader off the ballot! posted 08/02, by americanorgans (viewed 22 times) \| Scope : National Popularity : 5 (6 encourage, 1 discourage) Relevance : 222 Should Democrats fight to keep Nader off the ballot? (36 votes since 8/2/04) I was shocked, a party that chants democracy wants to keep Nader off the ballot, and of all places to whine about Nader... South Dakota? The Dems should be kissing the feet of Independants like Nader, after all it was a Libertarian who helped put Sen. Johnson (D-SD) into office when he ran against Thune. Hmmm... Maybe the dems know that Kerry is way to liberal for SD voters, and Nader would just win the state for Bush. If Kerry is so wonderfull as the DNC claims, why am I reading quotes like this in my local paper: Judy Olson Duhamel, chair of the South Dakota Democratic Party, said Monday that state party officials will challenge any signatures they believe are invalid. "We'd definitely like to keep him off the ballot," Duhamel said. Here, read the whole thing for yourself. I love how the dems cry foul when things don't go their way, but will play dirty any chance they get! argusleader.com. (link only good for a week) Lifes rough, buy a helmet! Was this article informative? Was it stimulating? You decide if others should read it. Presence List 0 members and 1 guest are on "Democrats try to keep Nader off the ballot!" right now Article: Democrats try to keep Nader off the ballot! The Democratic Party Is Trying To Rig The Presidential Election posted 08/04, by blacksheep (viewed : 7) Popularity 8 (1 encourage, 0 discourage) New! State level Democrats are doing everything they can to railroad Nader from their states’ ballots. If Nader supporters really wanted to vote for John Kerry, they would. Instead of RESPECTING the decision of those who will choose to vote for Nader, the Democratic party is trying to “force the hand” of those who wish to vote for Ralph Nader for whatever reason. I am sure that those who will vote for Kerry, Bush, Badnarik, or Russo would wish for their decision to be respected. So why are many Democrats disrespecting the choice of those who wish to vote for Nader? The Democrats have become like street thugs in the hood demanding respect for themselves, yet disrespecting others. I am more turned off than ever to the Democratic party. I resent the Democratic party for trying to “ear mark” my vote for eight years with their lackluster “lesser of two evils.” No Democrat has addressed how voting for a third party candidate is different than not voting at all. They may stigmatize it as “throwing your vote away,” but it is more than that. Voting for a third party candidate makes a political statement. Third party presidential candidates address and make stands on issues that the Democratic and Republican candidates shun. Third parties are watchdogs being broomed beneath the carpet by the corporatist media spewing forth it’s two party propaganda. Railroading Nader from this election will seal the eventual demise of third parties and for that, I would never ever forgive the Democratic party. I wonder if the Democrats who regurgitate, “A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush,” were the same feeble minded imbeciles spewing forth, “He is our president and we have to support him no matter what,” or, “If you are against the war, you are against our troops,” back in the spring of 2003? So simple minded and impressionable are many who waive the banner of either of the two major political parties! "I always was a rebel...but on the other hand, I wanted to be loved and accepted...and not just be a loudmouth, lunatic, poet, musician. But I cannot be what I am not." - John Lennon Article: Democrats try to keep Nader off the ballot! Smart man* posted 08/03, by mannyc (viewed : 15) Popularity 2 (0 encourage, 1 discourage) If he keeps this up he’ll be a multi million air in short order, eh? If he plays his cards right and holds out long enough the American Nazi party pay him a fortune to stay in. You know the bush boy! "What people do out of anger, pain and fear both darkens and distorts reality."Al Gore Kerry might lose... posted 08/03, by americanorgans (viewed : 15) Popularity 18 (3 encourage, 0 discourage) So lets kick Nader off the ballot? How American is that? I could see this sort of thing from the neo-conned 'republicans' but not from the party who claims to be about the people (I did expect it, but I'm sure you will note my sarcasm). BTW I don't see the neo-conned giving the Libertarians such a hard time. e-thepeople.org Still wanna rumble, kiddie?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 1:50:05 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

Democrats move to keep SEP candidate off Illinois ballot By the Editorial Board 1 July 2004 Use this version to print \| Send this link by email \| Email the author Local Democratic Party officials in Champaign County, Illinois have filed an objection to the petitions of Socialist Equality Party candidate Thomas Mackaman in an effort to prevent him from gaining ballot access in the November general election. Mackaman is challenging Democratic incumbent Naomi Jakobsson and her Republican opponent for a seat in the 103rd District of the Illinois House of Representatives, in the Champaign-Urbana area in the east-central part of the state. On June 21 Mackaman and his supporters submitted 2,032 signatures, far more than the 1,344 required for ballot status as an independent candidate. The day after the Socialist Equality Party (SEP) filed the petitions with the Board of Elections, two members of the House Democratic Staff at the state legislature in Springfield—Liz Brown and Brendan Hostetler—requested and/or viewed copies of the petitions, as did one Republican Party official. Then just three hours before the deadline for challenges expired on Monday, June 28, Geraldine Parr, the treasurer and former chair of the Champaign County Democratic Party, filed a formal objection alleging that the SEP did not collect enough valid signatures for Mackaman to qualify. The objection claims that 1,021 signatures collected by SEP supporters—more than half the total—are invalid, because allegedly the signers were not registered voters or residents of the district or their names were illegible or printed instead of signed. The actions of the state and local Democrats express more than their desire to suppress any electoral alternative to the two-party system, reactionary and anti-democratic as that is. More fundamentally, the Democratic Party is engaged in a desperate effort to block any political discussion in the 2004 elections of the most important issues—the war in Iraq, the ongoing attacks on democratic rights and living standards—on which the Democrats and the Republicans stand together. The central function of the presidential campaign of John Kerry, as far as the US ruling elite is concerned, has been to keep out of the general election campaign any challenge to the legitimacy of the war in Iraq. Opinion polls show the majority of the American people oppose the war in Iraq, and 40 percent favor an immediate withdrawal of all American troops. Those tens of millions of people are entirely unrepresented in the contest between Bush and Kerry, two multi-millionaire politicians who are both pledged to maintain the US occupation and suppress Iraqi resistance, no matter what the cost in money and lives. The SEP campaign inevitably becomes a target for political censorship because our presidential ticket, Bill Van Auken and Jim Lawrence, and our congressional and state legislative candidates, like Tom Mackaman, have placed the war in Iraq at the center of campaigns. We demand the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all American and other foreign troops from Iraq, the payment of reparations to enable the Iraqi people to rebuild their country, and a war crimes tribunal to judge the US officials responsible for this monstrous act of aggression and conquest, which has already cost tens of thousands of lives. In a statement to the WSWS, Tom Mackaman said, “The Democratic Party’s efforts to prevent the SEP from gaining ballot access is an attack not only on our party but on the more than two thousand voters who signed petitions to place me on the ballot. It is aimed at frustrating their desire for a political alternative to the two big business parties and their bipartisan policies of war in Iraq and continuing cutbacks in social services, education, housing and healthcare, not only at the local level in District 103, but throughout the state and nation. “I call on all our supporters in Champaign-Urbana, all the readers of the World Socialist Web Site and all those who defend the right to vote and democratic rights in general to protest these un-democratic measures and demand that the Champaign County Clerk’s office overturn this objection.” Efforts to block third-party and independent candidates from the ballot are standard procedure for the Democratic and Republican political machines in Illinois. In addition to the objections against Mackaman, officials from both the Illinois Democratic and Republican Parties filed objections against nearly two dozen third-party or independent candidates, including independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, the Green Party’s presidential campaign and other Green candidates and several Libertarian Party candidates. The determination of both parties to eliminate independent challenges in one of the most populous states in the US is a measure of how narrow the base of support of the two-party system is. Functioning on behalf of the wealthy elite and confronting ever greater opposition to their right-wing policies, neither party can tolerate dissenting viewpoints. It is noteworthy that the Democratic Party has responded to the trampling of voters’ rights in the 2000 elections in Florida, not by opposing the criminal methods of Bush and his supporters, but by stepping up efforts to block ballot access to any party that might cost it votes. There is no doubt that SEP candidates in other states may face similar anti-democratic attacks. Such challenges are already taking place against other third-party campaigns. Last week Democratic Party officials staged provocations in both Oregon and Arizona, attempting to disrupt or shut down the Ralph Nader campaign. In Oregon, where Nader’s supporters sought to attract 1,000 people to a convention to make their candidate eligible for a place on the statewide ballot, the Democratic Party sent hundreds of its loyalists into the hall to take up space and try to prevent the Nader campaign from reaching its target. In Arizona, two Democrats filed a lawsuit last week challenging the petitions submitted by the Nader campaign for ballot status. As in the challenge to the SEP campaign in Illinois, the Democrats made patently ludicrous claims about Nader’s petitions, charging that only 6,045 of the 21,512 signatures filed for the independent presidential candidate were valid. Arizona Democratic state chairman Jim Pederson told Time magazine last month (referring to Nader), “Our first objective is to keep him off the ballot.” Spelling out a remarkable interpretation of democracy, Pederson continued: “This vote is about George Bush and John Kerry, and we think it distorts the entire electoral process to have his [Nader’s] name on the ballot.” Andrew Spiegel, an attorney who specializes in Illinois state election law, told the WSWS that the Democratic and Republican parties routinely challenge all third party petitions in Illinois even though the state maintains some of the most restrictive ballot access legislation in the nation. For example, to gain “New Party” ballot access, a party needs to achieve a valid signature minimum of 5 percent of the total number of voters who voted in a political subdivision the last presidential election. For independents it increases to 10-16 percent. To achieve ballot access as a presidential candidate in Illinois, petitioners must gather a minimum of 25,000 valid signatures and have a complete slate of statewide candidates along with party electors. Spiegel, who has worked with numerous third parties from across the political spectrum, said that Democrats and Republicans may challenge a signature’s validity on several grounds, but that the most frequent objection is that the signature does not closely enough resemble the signature as it appears on the voter’s registration card. Spiegel pointed out the difficulty of defending against such objections, “As we all know, every signature changes every time it’s written down.” Another typical objection is that although the address of the person signing may be current, he or she may be registered at a previous address. Mackaman and representatives of the SEP will challenge the Democratic Party’s objections to his candidacy in Champaign County Court, Courtroom K, on Tuesday, July 6, at 10 a.m. Within 10 days of the local board’s decision, the candidate or objector may file a petition for judicial review with the Clerk of the Circuit Court. The SEP is in contact with the Green Party in Champaign, and welcomes joint action with other third parties seeking to defeat anti-democratic challenges by the Democratic and Republican parties. The SEP is calling on its supporters and all those who defend democratic rights to email the Champaign County Election Board to demand that it reject the effort of the Democratic Party to keep our candidate off the ballot. Emails should be sent to Champaign County Clerk Mark Shelden’s office at: mail@champaigncountyclerk.com wsws.org Still wanna rumble?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (13051)	8/6/2004 1:51:53 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

Democrats Launch Anti-Nader Campaign Through a combination of legal maneuvering and anti-Nader spin, Democrats hope to limit voters' choices and keep candidate Ralph Nader off the November ballot in key states. By Walt Contreras Sheasby LOS ANGELES -- May 28, 2004 -- Were it not for a loophole in the McCain-Feingold Act and the somersaults of defeated candidates Howard Dean, Gen. Wesley Clark, and Dick Gephardt, petitioners for Ralph Nader would have an easier time collecting signatures to put him on the ballot. The anti-Nader forces in the Democratic Party are being joined by former Nader supporters in what the maverick candidate calls a “cabal.” Corporate Citizenship and the Cabal Funding for the elaborate scheme to strip anti-war and Green voters from Nader comes from the corporate rich: George Soros, powerful currency speculator (Soros Fund Management LLC) and billionaire benefactor (Open Society Institute), his friend Peter Lewis, chairman of the Progressive Corp., Rob Glaser, founder and CEO of RealNetworks, Rob McKay, president of the McKay Foundation, and benefactors Lewis and Dorothy Cullman. (1) These are the powerful fat cats who fund the so-called Section 527 groups that provided support to the candidates in the Democratic Party primaries, without officially being connected to either the candidate or the Party. Section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code provides a loophole for fat cats to evade caps on political donations. With the primaries over, both the 527s and the former candidates are sitting on a ton of unused cash that can be used for monkey-wrenching both the Green Party voters and the independent ballot petitioning by Nader followers. On the Air: The National Progress Fund propagandizes The latest entry into the psy ops war against Nader is the National Progress Fund, which plans to run TV ads in six battleground states, featuring people who voted for Nader in 2000 who now say they regret their votes. A similar theme is projected on their website called TheNaderFactor.com. The 527 group, formed by major operatives in the Democratic Party, was announced at the very moment on May 19 that Nader was meeting with Kerry, a symbolic gesture equivalent to leaving a horse's head in Nader's bed. Nader spokesperson Kevin Zeese said "I think it is interesting that it was timed with our meeting." (2) A preview of the first TV commercial can be seen at www.TheNaderFactor.com. Bob Schick, a high school English teacher from Ohio, says: ''Four years ago, I supported Ralph Nader because he stood for the issues I believed in: a clean environment, civil rights, and a sensible foreign policy,'' Schick says. ''But now, after seeing how quickly and thoroughly the Bush administration has wounded our country -- there's more pollution, an economy that sends our jobs overseas, and a war I have serious questions about -- I feel I made a mistake.'' (3) The website urges other repentant Nader voters to contact the National Progress Fund to offer their own disavowal of Nader. "Slept with Nader woke up with Bush in 2000?" is one of the slogans on the site. The site is designed by Howard Dean’s former staff, and as one Deaniac commented, "Not to Kerry bash, but it wasn't too long ago when our answer to the "Dated Dean, Married Kerry" nasty bumpersticker was "Dated Dean, Married Kerry, Woke Up Next to Bush". (4) The site declares it will create an online community of progressive democrats and Nader supporters, and will feature blog discussions, petitions on various issues, downloadable materials and other grassroots activities. A senior Kerry aide stressed that the group is -- quote -- "completely independent of the campaign," but Nader has asked Kerry to disavow the effort to create dissension in the ranks of supporters using testimonials of former Nader voters who have repented. The group (the National Progress Fund) by law must stop short of asking visitors to support Kerry; so instead its focus is to blame Nader for the Bush election. The new National Progress Fund brings together the key staff (and undoubtedly unspent cash) of the Howard Dean, Gen. Wesley Clark, and Dick Gephardt campaigns. The group is run by Tricia Enright, who was spokeswoman and communications director for former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, David Jones, chief fund-raiser and treasurer for Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri, and John Hlinko, who led the Draft Wesley Clark internet movement. By using the staff and cash of his former rivals, Kerry gets to go around saying, "I'm not going to ask Nader to drop out -- he has as much right to run -- but I'm going to make the case for voting for me." (5) In the meantime, the 527 makes the slightly more negative case with the powerful mea culpa testimonials of regretful Nader voters. Enright said they planned to start airing targeted television ads next week in as many as six states. The fund will focus its advertising firepower on six states that were decided by two percentage points or less in 2000 -- Wisconsin, New Mexico, Florida, New Hampshire, Iowa, and Oregon. The ads will run first in Wisconsin and New Mexico, states where there are many Green or independent voters. The first ads will coincide with the Green Party National Convention in Milwaukee June 23-28, which may mean that delegates will be meeting in a climate where anti-Nader sentiment has been stoked by TV commercials. The Greens will be deciding between support for Nader or for the low-key campaign of David Cobb. In New Mexico the urgency calls into question Gov. Bill Richardson’s dismissal last February that Nader "has no movement. Nobody's backing him. The Greens aren't backing him." (6) While these negative ads intervening in the politics of opposition groups may seem a new development in the U.S., the tactic has been used by George Soros in a score of other countries. Under U.S. campaign laws, it is illegal to influence an election through the use of monies from foreign countries, and while MoveOn.org founder, screen-saver magnate Wes Boyd, said the groups accepts no foreign donations, virtually all the Soros money going into the anti-Nader ads is from operations abroad. (7) On the Ground: America Votes intimidates As CBS has reported, there are three other 527 groups already involved in the anti-Nader effort. Democrats clearly hope Nader doesn't get on the ballot, particularly in the battleground states. According to Sarah Leonard, spokesperson for the Democratic organizations America Votes, ACT and the Media Fund, they are keeping an eye on Nader's efforts. "If we think it gets to the point where we need to step in and mobilize to make sure he doesn't get on the ballot, then we will," she says. (8) America Votes (527) is an umbrella group for coordinating other 527s. Twenty-two of the organizations have each kicked in $50,000 to finance America Votes, which is run by Cecile Richards (daughter of Ann Richards), a Brown University alumni and former top aide to House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.). America Coming Together (527), also known as ACT, is a collaboration between many Dem powerhouse issue groups and labor unions focusing on grassroots voter contact. ACT has received $5 million contributions from financier Soros and his wife, Susan Weber Soros, and $3 million frin insurance magnate Peter B. Lewis of the Progressive Corp. Soros says "ACT is an effective way to mobilize civil society, to convince people to go to the polls and vote for candidates who will reassert the values of the greatest open society in the world." (9) The Media Fund (527), financed in part by billionaire George Soros, is run by former Clinton aide Harold Ickes, and has joined forces with ACT to raise money. While ACT is the major 'ground war' vehicle for the Democratic groups, the Media Fund will finance radio and television commercials. CNN reported that the group is trying to get the Trial Lawyers to pay for the anti-Nader ads -- and that there are efforts to recruit lawyers to try and use the courts and legal process to block Nader's ballot access drive. Nader said the effort sounds like an assault on freedom of speech. ''I would advise them to cease and desist,'' he said. ''Since we do everything legally to get on the ballot, I don't see what they can do,'' he said. ''They're better advised to spend their money to try to persuade the millions of Democratic voters who supported Bush in 2000 to vote for their ticket.'' (10) citizinemag.com Still feel like fighting? I'll bury you alive. There sure is enough material to do it.